$25 NLHE Full Ring: simple 3bet question

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: simple 3bet question

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 14/6/2

Is this a good spot to flat instead of 3bet ?
He has 100% fold to 3bet over 109 hands, 0% 4bet so far.
Would a 3bet only get shoved over by KK/AA. Or would he flat AK, and does that make it worthwhile to 3bet ?

Note, we have the BTN. Oh and he only has $10.
Say he has $25 does that change anything ?

BB: $28.85 (115.4 bb)
UTG+1: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
MP1: $5 (20 bb)
MP2: $10 (40 bb)
MP3: $4.65 (18.6 bb)
CO: $12.85 (51.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25.35 (101.4 bb)
SB: $4.40 (17.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q:spade: Q:club:
2 folds, MP2 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises ??
 
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This is why I hate fr...you have btn and are really not gonna 3bet queens? With pos it makes it so much more likely your 3betting light or does that never happen at fr at these stakes?

Meh...I 3bet and call a shove. He's half stacked so not very good we can assume
 
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I think regardless of the $10/25 stack we must 3bet this to like 3-3.50 and call a shove.

If he folds? Oh well

Edit: Call the shove with the $10 stack, not the $25
 
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This is why I hate fr...you have btn and are really not gonna 3bet queens? With pos it makes it so much more likely your 3betting light or does that never happen at fr at these stakes?

Meh...I 3bet and call a shove. He's half stacked so not very good we can assume

I'm just asking if it is a good spot to flat. :)
Not saying I wouldn't 3bet, as it is my standard play here.
And I also did in the hand.

But I don't think there's anything better to do than 3bet so this is kind of a bad thread I guess :D
 
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If I was thinking about flatting here (10% of the time), I'd be looking for looser preflop stats and more aggressive postflop stats...
 
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If I was thinking about flatting here (10% of the time), I'd be looking for looser preflop stats and more aggressive postflop stats...

Well my argument was that when 3bet this guy is so tight he will most likely only 4bet KK+ (maybe call AK) and dump all the rest which I beat.
 
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How many times has he folded to a 3bet over those 100 hands? I,ve had 100 hands on ppl with only 2 or 3 times they were 3 bet which doesn't allow the stay to converge at all.

I suppose its not a horrible spot to flat but if the blinds are aggressive at all then I don't like it without a plan to backraise.

I think I agree though that without a tricky plan and a read that the blinds squeeze a lot its best to just 3bet and go. Vs a full stack I might be more inclined to flat and play postflop.
 
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100 hands isn't really enough to get a real idea of his ranges yet. It's definitely enough to completely ignore any 3bet/4bet stats.

I think given the fact you're getting better odds on his stack since he's short and the fact that with the small sample size you don't really know if he's that tight, we can just 3bet and get it in knowing there will be enough worse hands in his range to make it good.

If we have like 1k+ hands on him then I think flatting is fine.
 
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100 hands isn't really enough to get a real idea of his ranges yet. It's definitely enough to completely ignore any 3bet/4bet stats.

I think given the fact you're getting better odds on his stack since he's short and the fact that with the small sample size you don't really know if he's that tight, we can just 3bet and get it in knowing there will be enough worse hands in his range to make it good.

If we have like 1k+ hands on him then I think flatting is fine.

Thanks for the input.

I agree, and its hard to get that many hands on any one person.
Maybe some regs if I play long enough, but the player pool at these limits is big.

So I guess mixing it up and flatting instead of standard 3betting isnt all that necessary yet.
 
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Well you can always buy hand histories. regardless of the site. *ahem*
 
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