$25 NLHE Full Ring: Rush - A/Q on an A/everything-else turn

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No stats on villain.
Standard open with A/Qo.
I'm concerned that I played this too passive. I was going to just let him keep betting for me, but the turn sucked and I folded because there is no (reasonable) Ace that I can beat at that point, except A/9, and even that gives him an OESD.

Stacks:

* MP1 with $16.33
* MP2 with $38.42
* MP3 with $25.94
* CO with $7.59
* BTN with $29.48
* SB with $32.42
* BB with $19.40 (Villain)
* UTG with $59.20
* UTG+1 with $28.19 (Hero)

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Blinds: $.10/$.25
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to UTG+1:Q♠ A♥
Preflop:
* * 1 players fold.
* * UTG+1 raises to $0.75
* * 6 players fold.
* * BB calls [$0.50]
* * Total folds this street: 7
* * Potsize: $1.6
Flop:
* * 10♦ 8♦ A♣
* * BB bets [$1]
* * UTG+1 calls [$1]
* * Potsize: $3.6
Turn:
* * J♠
* * BB bets [$2]
* * 1 players fold.
* * Uncalled bet of $2 returned to BB
* * BB wins the pot ($3.42)
* * Total folds this street: 1

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WVHillbilly

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What makes you think he has an Ace? I doubt too many Aces lead the flop. FD/SD would be much more likely imo.
 
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flat the turn and re-evaluate on the river based on his bet sizing. Folding here is not an option in my view. The pot is still small and he's not betting very big and it's unlikely he has you beat. This is a very very very very very very tight fold.
 
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anyone like shoving
Naw.

If we're ahead we want to get value out of our hand, not chase him off.
The shove is only called if we're beat.

The Jack just sucks on the turn. I'm only in for $1.75 and he'll bet $4 on the river which would be $7.75 invested on the river if I want to call with my one pair. assuming he had something, and people don't get that much in at $25NL with less than top pair, and thanks to the J any top pair hand beats me.

I was tempted to float the turn, but figured I'd get out cheap. Plenty of easier opportunities, as a lot of fish show up thanks to the Take 2 event.
 
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WVHillbilly

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anyone like shoving
I don't hate it. This guy is almost certainly willing to put in a lot of $$s with worse.

Drooler checklist:
[x] started the hand with ~80bbs
[x] flatted an EP raiser from the BB
[x] weak donked flop and turn on drawy board

I'm certainly willing to play for stacks on the turn, if we shove or raise smaller is my only question.
 
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never ever ever fold this turn

1) You have a hand in itself that is worth going to showdown barring like a diamond river and/or a paired river and/or a 4-straight river and/or some significant action from villain.

B) On top of that you have a double gutter (granted, dirty outs given the FD) and are getting decent odds to hit and/or get paid off (both a 9 and a K fill up some two pair combos which generally don't fold to a river bet).

√9) Villain is a 25nl unknown, and is probably bad. His range is much wider than Ax - it contains flush draws, all types of weird broadways that you have beat in fun ways (if you hit, he pays you off quite often, plus his OESDs and gutters have worse chances of hitting given you have a Q in your hand), and plenty of weird spazz outs with stuff like 45c and Tx and random other crap.

Not really happy about getting it in on the turn personally, but that may be because I haven't played 25nl in a while and can't perfectly gauge how wide villain will be stacking. If he stacks flush draws or stuff like QJ, then sure, bump it up and call it off, but otherwise I don't see that too often from the worst of fish at small stakes.
 
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I think overbet shoving or raising and shoving all non-diamond rivers

There's no reason we can't have the nuts and this is the type of spot where I think we should be playing our range as opposed to our specific hand. Our range destroys BB's and we have tons of sets/two pairs/straights vs. his stupid 1 pair/gutterball/FD combos. When villain doesn't get to realize his considerable equity in the hand, we win, if we get it in we're obviously never drawing dead and probably ahead of his stacking range.
 
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I thought you played the hand really passive and tight. With that flop and lead out bet I would have 3bet or raised on the flop. With this board texture I can understand your turn fold, but it's good to get the initiative from the flop if you have something strong.
 
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I might fold in situation also. You haven't invested much in the hand and I've experienced alot of people playing AK weakly pre-flop at 25NL rush.
 
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I might fold in situation also. You haven't invested much in the hand and I've experienced alot of people playing AK weakly pre-flop at 25NL rush.

omg this is Rush! Fold flop. He has AT LEAST quads.
 
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