$25 NLHE Full Ring: River hero call OOP part 1: 2P in a 3-way pot

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MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($39.82)
CO ($25)
Button ($26.62)
SB ($25.10)
BB ($23.45)
Hero (UTG) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10
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, K
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Hero raises to $0.55, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($2.90) K
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, 7
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, 10
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(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $2.90, CO calls $2.90, Hero calls $2.90

Turn: ($11.60) J
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(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks

River: ($11.60) 5
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(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50, 1 fold

Total pot: $20.60 | Rake: $1.03

MP is 26 / 11 / 2.7% 3bet over 107 hands, AF 1.7 so probably not overly aggro.
CO is 15 / 12 / 5.6% over 218 hands, AF 1.3 so ditto.

I am not in a habit of doing hero calls these days but I had 2 in a row today so I wanted to see what everybody thinks.

Lets disregard preflop open for now since that is not what interests me here.

- I called the 3bet because his sizing is shit so what the hell.

- On the flop I have a lovely hidden 2P hand but obviously have to be careful against sets. Best scenario is that MP2 had AK or AA and loves it, I can't really raise since I get nailed by sets and stacking TPTK/overpair could happen but these will probably bet at least 2 barrels anyway.
- CO's flop call is a bit confusing, he could draw to a straight or is slowplaying a set... dunno, I decided to call and see what happens.
- I am not super happy about the J since it can counterfeit my 2P hand or bring a set/straight, but everybody checks so I am not horribly worried.

- I called river since his sizing says TPTK/overpair going for some value, I just don't think a straight plays like this. A set could do this though and he has at least 3 in his range (K, J, T). Again raising is iffy since I am not sure I get called by worse here.

Opinions?

Results below:
Hero had 10
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, K
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(two pair, Kings and tens).
CO had A
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, K
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(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $19.57
 
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I lol'd at "hero" calling a river bet of that size. Inspiring stuff.

This is a glorious chance to put in a check raise otf after the pot sized cbet and the call. Seems absolutely criminal to flat flop oop.

On the flop I have a lovely hidden 2P hand but obviously have to be careful against sets.

14 combos of AA/AK versus 5 sets. The board can quickly start to look ugly for everyone involved so being oop the flop would be the bet time to get some money in here with the hand you binked. IMO.
 
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I meant CO could easily have a set here. Heads up with MP I would check raise but I wasn't sure about what CO has that cold calls a 3bet and flats a pot bet on the flop. If he was a winning 10NL reg this would be a set like 90% of the time.

But yeah I am not happy about this hand at all.

CO has AF 1.3 and these guys like never bet river if not nutted + his betting range should be stronger here than my nice looking 2P.

I don't have enough hands on these guys yet so I am going by stats and 10NL experience, where AF 1.3 players are born to call and bet only the nuts :D

Edit: Meh, definitely I should have chkraised the flop, **** it. I am giving these idiots too much credit.
 
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I know you said you didn't wanna hear preflop advice, but...

Fold pre. Do you really want to play a large 3bet pot OOP against two players?

As played, I have to agree - check/raise the flop for sure, especially after the CO calls. I wouldn't be too scared of a set here. There are only 8 hand combinations (KsKd, 10c10d, and six combos of 7-7) out of the entire deck that can have a set.
 
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Well, not really but I have to call 0.30 into 2.60 pot so I don't see folding here as a good option. Original raise is worse than the call :D
 
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Pre-flop is fine, but every other street is pretty bad. I'm not really sure how this is a hero call. At the very least, bet turn + river. I can't wrap my brain around what you were thinking in this hand other than possibly seeing monsters that don't exist. FYI, I did not look at results, but it's clear you're ahead of their range on every street. If someone played a set this bad, or AQ, so be it. You flopped top two, the likelihood someone has a set it super small.

These are the kinds of hands you should examine though because this is a huge leak in your game right now. You lost a ton of value.
 
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It's labeled full ring but it's 7-handed so pre is 100% standard.

I mean, I wanna burn my eyes out after reading flop action.
 
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yea the flop flat is pretty horribad. Esp when he pots it and there is a caller. you must inflate this pot as fast as possible.
 
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Calling a 2/5th pot sized bet with two pair is not really a hero call :/
 
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yea the flop flat is pretty horribad. Esp when he pots it and there is a caller. you must inflate this pot as fast as possible.

So that I know I'm following correctly: You're saying that the flop was a great opportunity for Hero to check raise with two pair, yes?
 
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I'm not raising the KTs utg but to each his own. I realize it was a profitable hand but I think the flat on the flop was poor especially with an extra hand along for ride.
 
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So that I know I'm following correctly: You're saying that the flop was a great opportunity for Hero to check raise with two pair, yes?


Exactly. there are not many combos that beat us and we dont want scare cards coming out to kill our action. We are trying to get the money in in this spot as soon as possible , and especially when someone pots it and the other guy flats. I might even be shoving here.
 
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Exactly. there are not many combos that beat us and we dont want scare cards coming out to kill our action. We are trying to get the money in in this spot as soon as possible , and especially when someone pots it and the other guy flats. I might even be shoving here.

Cool and thanks for the response. I'm learning as I go along here.

Nice avatar, too. I have a pit myself.
 
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So that I know I'm following correctly: You're saying that the flop was a great opportunity for Hero to check raise with two pair, yes?

Check/raise or just bet the flop, which is probably what I'd do.
 
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Check/raise or just bet the flop, which is probably what I'd do.

In all reality I probably would have led out with a bet on the flop as well. I think this would have toned down MP2's aggression a bit through the rest of the hand and given us control of the pot.
 
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