$25 NLHE Full Ring: QQ pre Fish in Sb 4bet MUltiway pot PRE

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem (9 players
SB: $24.34 VPIP 57% PFR 8% 3BET sb STAT 10% out of 10 opportunitys AGG 1.0 HANDS 88
BB: $22.13
UTG: $3.93 NON Factor because of stack size i would say
UTG+1: $28.15 VPIP 16% PFR 9% MP 3BET STAT 0% AGG 4.7 HANDS 224 NO FOLD TO 4BET STATS
MP: $27.91
MP+1: $17.21 VPIP 50% PFR 23% AGG 4.0 HANDS 53
MP+2 Hero: $25
CO: $27.68 (sitting out)
BTN: $27.75

Pre-flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP+2 and dealt
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $1.25, MP folds, MP+1 calls $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $6.75, 4 folds, Hero ?? Pretty tag player raises Should we have 3bet pre ?? And what's the best move now ?? Ty TY TY

3bet preflop.

So he's 3bet once before in 10 chances? Did you happen to see what he 3bet with? Have you seen any hands he's taken to SD?

I call preflop vs a nit opening utg. If you 3b you are isolating yourself vs the hands you lose to and fold out what little hands you beat.

As played i would just fold pre. I think sb range is very strong here. A player with 8% pfr and low agression typically wont 3b light and you are drawing slim or 50/50

WVHillbilly said:

3bet preflop.

So he's 3bet once before in 10 chances? Did you happen to see what he 3bet with? Have you seen any hands he's taken to SD?

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No actually that might be from this time because i just posted off what i seen on his stats so yea its from this i bet. OR do the stats on hem rep from the actual time of play do you know??

dooydoo said:

I call preflop vs a nit opening utg. If you 3b you are isolating yourself vs the hands you lose to and fold out what little hands you beat.

As played i would just fold pre. I think sb range is very strong here. A player with 8% pfr and low agression typically wont 3b light and you are drawing slim or 50/50

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3betting is cool though because we have a two fish who might call our 3bet

MP is a fish, I'm defo 3betting. Even the 16/9 will have a wider calling range than normal seeing as were squeezing. As played I shove, I'm not feeling all that great about it as most loose/passive players are just going to have AK+/QQ and sometimes not even AK but we have not got the stats to make that read atm, fish can do crazy shit and 40% equity with dead money in the pot is not the end of the world. We can't hero fold based on his small PFR alone.

Please include a 3bet% rather than a positional one. 1/10 doesn't mean much.

I think 3bets in certain pos is more acurate than 3bet% overall IMO. If you review players 3bets they are going to 3bet 99% of the time on BTN and SB the most

ALL IN CLUBS said:

I think 3bets in certain pos is more acurate than 3bet% overall IMO. If you review players 3bets they are going to 3bet 99% of the time on BTN and SB the most

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Yeah i agree with this,unless villain is just a 3bet monkey.Raise limper is the stat i would be looking for in the pop up.

I'd 3bet just because the fish will likely call one anyways.

If there were no fish i'd just flat the first raise like you did.

As played im happy getting it all in against that fish.

ALL IN CLUBS said:

I think 3bets in certain pos is more acurate than 3bet% overall IMO. If you review players 3bets they are going to 3bet 99% of the time on BTN and SB the most

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With a good sample I agree. With 100 hands or so we simply haven't the convergence.

3b pre for reasons stated above, when SB or UTG+1 4bet i'm folding.

You should def 3b this pre, as played it folds back to us right? Given the SB's stats I'm 4b shoving this every time. He doesn't strike me as the player that is only 3 betting with AKs, AA, KK because of the UTG+1's stats and we are probably getting it in ahead alot of the time against JJ, 10s, 9s, AKs, AKo, AQ, etc.

dwbrown7680 said:

You should def 3b this pre, as played it folds back to us right? Given the SB's stats I'm 4b shoving this every time. He doesn't strike me as the player that is only 3 betting with AKs, AA, KK because of the UTG+1's stats and we are probably getting it in ahead alot of the time against JJ, 10s, 9s, AKs, AKo, AQ, etc.

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I think SB would flat them hands you stated, apart from AK. He's only got 1AF so isn't aggressive minded and also only raises 8% preflop, so his 3b range will be pretty tight I think.

jbbb said:

I think SB would flat them hands you stated, apart from AK. He's only got 1AF so isn't aggressive minded and also only raises 8% preflop, so his 3b range will be pretty tight I think.

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I think that we absolutely have to 4b once it gets back around to us. We don't have to shove, we can 4b to $13.75 or something if we want but there's only two hands we're ever worried about him having to beat us with. I think we get it in enough times ahead to outweigh any times we may run into KK or AA. Especially at a limit like 25nl, I feel like you're missing value by not coming over the top against someone with stats like those. I've seen plenty of times with ppl running 55/5, 66/10, etc get it aipf with stuff like AJs, AQs/o, JJ, 1010.

Also we have to remember that this is only 88 hands so his stats aren't set in stone other than the fact that he's a calling station most likely.