$25 NLHE Full Ring: QQ gets donked

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: QQ gets donked

poker stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 515746
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BTN: $17.25
SB: $6.35
BB: $5.45
UTG: $24.80
UTG+1: $25.00
MP1: $40.90
MP2: $15.00
Hero (CO): $22.05

MP2 posts a big blind ($0.25)

Pre Flop: ($0.60) Hero is CO with Q :spade: Q :heart:
3 folds, MP2 raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, MP2 calls $2

Flop: ($6.35) J :diamond: 8 :heart: 6 :heart: (2 players)
MP2 bets $1, Hero???



I'm starting to find a spot that gives me trouble... Three bet (PF) over pairs facing aggressive or confusing action (craise or donks) on draw heavy boards.

What does that $1 donk on the flop mean? Obviously never folding.
 
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Crap... Always forget this part... No reads. This was literally villains first hand at the table.

I'm mostly concerned with, how much to raise?
 
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I'd make it about $5 and shove the turn.

The more you bet now, the smaller your mistake is when he does outdraw you (since you can't fold after raising here) but also the less likely he is to call.

I'd be hoping that he calls the $4 extra with outs and then finds himself in a bad spot, usually unimproved with $7 left and a $16 pot.



I think we can make an argument for betting more, because any bet that gives adequate protection to your hand is pot commiting, anything of about $5 up to shoving has the same effect but since $5 is already way, way too much for him to pay to draw I don't mind letting him see another card for that price if it increases the frequency that he calls.

I think you can bet smaller, but your risk of him folding if he misses the turn goes up, and I want the money in on the turn rather than the river in case he has something with no showdown value unimproved. Too low and he wont feel pot commited, too big and he'll just fold.
 
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When this happens and i have a hand i normally bet 3/4 of the pot, if he calls good, if he was on the bluff then i wasn't earning any more money anyway.

A smaller bet won't change this.

If i don't have a hand ie my raise was a pure bluff (no overs etc) im normally just giving it to him. It's just not worth the hassle for me anyway trying to second guess if hes a donk or trying to pretend to be one and shake him off his hand.

hope this helps
 
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I'd make it about $5 and shove the turn.

The more you bet now, the smaller your mistake is when he does outdraw you (since you can't fold after raising here) but also the less likely he is to call.

I'd be hoping that he calls the $4 extra with outs and then finds himself in a bad spot, usually unimproved with $7 left and a $16 pot.

Right... right. This is one of those situations where I start thinking too much.

If I raise to $5 and he shoves, then what do I do?

Or, I raise to $5, he calls, a heart/J/straight card comes on the turn, and he shoves, then what do I do?

Those considerations freeze me up.
 
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just shove? He's got 11 behind and a pot sized raise would be 9.35. I highly doubt he's ever folding a J, T9, or a FD here so just stick it in. Also, use Stars Auto-Rebuy feature to keep your stack at 100bb.
 
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Seriously, your SPR is like 2, just insta stack this thing and feel really really good about it.
 
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I did shove.

I shoved because I've been calling when my over pairs run into action on drawy boards. Which leads to all kinds of confusing trouble (for me) on the turn.

I played A LOT of LHE before starting NL. I think that type of thinking is what my brain runs back to when it faces a new/confusing NL/PL situation.

I don't think I have a solid grasp of SPR. I'm not lazy, I'll do my own homework...

Any recommended reading though?
 
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I did shove.

I shoved because I've been calling when my over pairs run into action on drawy boards. Which leads to all kinds of confusing trouble (for me) on the turn.

I played A LOT of LHE before starting NL. I think that type of thinking is what my brain runs back to when it faces a new/confusing NL/PL situation.

I don't think I have a solid grasp of SPR. I'm not lazy, I'll do my own homework...

Any recommended reading though?

Professional No Limit Holdem by Miller Mehta and Flynn
 
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Wow.

DoubleA - SPR Knowledge = D-Bag

DoubleA + SPR Knowledge = Champion

I have been treating every post flop decision like I was 200+BB deep...

Thanks all.
 
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At least in most of the lower stakes games, a small bet like that almost 100% of the time means he missed and is C-betting or is drawing and so is putting out a defensive bet. I'd easily put him on two diamonds, maybe a straight draw. But something like KQ is not at all out of the question
 
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I actually shove and villain calls with... KK
 
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Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 515746
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $17.25
SB: $6.35
BB: $5.45
UTG: $24.80
UTG+1: $25.00
MP1: $40.90
MP2: $15.00
Hero (CO): $22.05

MP2 posts a big blind ($0.25)

Pre Flop: ($0.60) Hero is CO with Q Q
3 folds, MP2 raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, MP2 calls $2

Flop: ($6.35) J 8 6 (2 players)
MP2 bets $1, Hero???



I'm starting to find a spot that gives me trouble... Three bet (PF) over pairs facing aggressive or confusing action (craise or donks) on draw heavy boards.

What does that $1 donk on the flop mean? Obviously never folding.

Hi Double-A,

ahem...(assuming a friendly but slightly scolding tone ;) )

and WHY were you not playing with a full stack??
 
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