re: Poker & $25 NLHE Full Ring: QQ 3bet pot, bad board
Originally Posted by bw07507
I agree that preflop he could 3bet bigger, but why does he need to bet larger on the flop here? In a 3bet pot we arent ever worried about charging draws since they are such a small part of villains range. I think $8 is fine on that flop. He can still get the money in very easily by the river by betting ~half pot on every street.
i like to think that if we bet bigger in spots like this, we allow the villains to easily get their stack in (if they have, let's say, a 2x-pot-bet left rather than a 3.5x or 4x, they'll be more likely to just say f-it i'm committed, i shove my AJ or AT, or whatever). the higher the stack/pot ratio in regards to our bet, the less likely they are to raise when behind with a top-pair-ish hand and the more likely to call and reconsider on a later street (observing hero's further aggression).
in other words, i think that if u bet $8 into a $8.50 pot, and villain has $40, he's going to be shoving over this bet with, let's say, KT on a T87r board (assuming he doesn't want to fold, which he prob doesn't after flopping TPGK in a 3bet pot, or whatever) because calling the bet makes the pot pretty huge, and he doesn't want to see his made hand turn to crap after a weird turn card in a big pot. if your bet is $4.75 into $8.50 and villain has $48, his shove would be an overbet (in his eyes), and any other raise would be pretty awkward because his bet would be the committing one, and not yours. so, he would be likely to call and reconsider the turn, which sux balls for our KK when the turn card is a 9,6,J,A,Q, etc.
in my experience, in spots like this, if you want to commit, you might as well just make it easiest for villain to commit his stack as soon as possible, because villains will make "stack mistakes" (stacking off when maybe they'd rather the bet have been smaller so they can see a later street) more on flop than turn or river.
not to mention the board is pretty draw-heavy, so a bigger bet charges his KQ, AQ, Q9, peely-call-a-3bet-speculatively-see-what-happens-spew-hands as well.
again, this is just my experience and the way i approach a hand like this, and not necessarily the right way. i'm not sure which is better, trying to commit on the flop or trying to commit by the river.
but my main theorem is that the bigger the bet, the bigger villain's immediate mistake, assuming there isn't a huge disparity in the hands he's calling a smaller bet with vs a bigger bet (which is reduced when the pot is 3bet, etc).
edit: also i think that villains make more mistakes when hero's bet is the committing one, and not theirs.
hopefully this made sense, i'm still kinda hung over.
ps: this post is way tl;dr, wtf