$25 NLHE Full Ring: Please critique this hand

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: Please critique this hand

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 22/8/2.2

Il post my thought process after comments

135 hands on villain

SB: $11.92 (47.7 bb)
BB: $25.50 (102 bb)
UTG+2: $24.97 (99.9 bb)
MP1: $4.44 (17.8 bb)
Hero (MP2): $37.49 (150 bb)
MP3: $17.49 (70 bb)
CO: $7.33 (29.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with A
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UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 folds, Hero calls $0.25, MP3 folds, CO raises to $1.25, SB folds, BB calls $1, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.10) 4
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8
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(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.75, CO raises to $6.08 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero calls $4.33

Turn: ($16.26) 4
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($16.26) 7
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $16.26 pot ($0.81 rake)
Final Board: 4
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8
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4
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7
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Pre-flop, raise don't limp. Once you limped, don't call, fold and sometimes 3bet big, CO should be raising really wide, you've got card removal on the A and the limp/calling has left a ton of easy money in the pot.

Flop, either check-raise or bet (planning to call a shove from CO and fold to a raise from BB). It's really read dependent whether I c/r or bet, I want CO's stack in now and I don't want BB to see free cards. As standard I c/r (or check-call if he shoves) but if I think there's a chance of him checking it back I'll just donk bet and hope for action.
 
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Ya, basically the only thing bad about the way you played the hand was preflop. Iso-raising the limper not only helps you pick up the dead money in the pot, but also gives you the initiative postflop which is key especially if you end up being OOP.

On the flop, I personally don't donk like ever but that depends on your read. I don't hate it or anything, just my standard move here is c/r'ing CO all-in.
 
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if im playing A 10, i like to play it when i can have position. I rarely play this in early or middle position because it seems to leave me in some difficult spots and when i do i play it to hit a flush /straight draw etc rather than tp.

But you limped, and got re raised by a short stacker, it's jam or fold here. Id probably jam as i hate ss and i think my hand needs to see 5 cards.

once i call i just monkey jam this flop with tptk. Its a no brainer. Leading is always best here with ss
 
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Thanks for your replies.

He ended up having pocket queens. I like to occasionally limp with a suited ace or king because the games are not really agressive and its unlikely i get raised prf and I like seeing flops that I could hit really hard. Its why I limp instead of raise these hands sometimes, although I concur raising is often the best option, especially at the higher stakes.
 
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I've been playing 25nl a lot lately, and I do agree that its not too aggressive pre-flop compared to the higher stakes. The problem with A10 though is that if an Ace comes you will probably call it down and have a worse kicker, and if a 10 comes a lot of times people will hit a pair J-K. I just don't see A10 as being a profitable hand in any position besides late position. That was horribly written, but basically what I'm trying to say is that you should fold it preflop.
 
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If you want to limp it preflop that's fine... I guess. I still hate it though. You have a hand that's more likely to make top pair or middle pair than anything else. and when you call the pfr you have a ton of hands that are ahead of you. Since your out of position with a top pair bad kicker kind of hand you are more likely to pay someone off than to get paid off.
 
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If you want to limp it preflop that's fine... I guess. I still hate it though. You have a hand that's more likely to make top pair or middle pair than anything else. and when you call the pfr you have a ton of hands that are ahead of you. Since your out of position with a top pair bad kicker kind of hand you are more likely to pay someone off than to get paid off.

Agree entirely, except my limping with these hands are a VERY 25nl specific ''tactic'' I am aware im playing with fire with at the very least limping it OOP but im not looking to play a guessing game with the other guy. Im looking to flop an easy to play monster or monster draw.

(Having said that I did make a very bad preflop call and a very shaky flop bet :hmmmm: :hmmmm: )
 
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Agree entirely, except my limping with these hands are a VERY 25nl specific ''tactic'' I am aware im playing with fire with at the very least limping it OOP but im not looking to play a guessing game with the other guy. Im looking to flop an easy to play monster or monster draw.

(Having said that I did make a very bad preflop call and a very shaky flop bet :hmmmm: :hmmmm: )

I don't want to come across as a jerk, but that sounds like a bad tactic, unless there is something I don't know about 25nl.

I mean if you limp then fine, I mean there are reasons to limp- pot control, managing SPR, and probably some other stuff- but I think that limping is best reserved for limpworthy hands like middle suited connectors and what not.

Not that I advocate limping, but there are some reasons a person could justify it.



However, when you've limped into the pot hoping for a monster/draw AT is really not a supergood candidate. The straight it makes is the most obvious one, if someone else has top pair its often better than yours, and the flush is not likely to get any action.

That aside, what is the tactic that you're attempting? Again not trying to be rude, but what are you hoping to accomplish by limping? Are you hoping for more action? Are you intending to limp raise? Is there a specific purpose behind this that I'm just not seeing?

edit: also our getting about 2-1 here? do you think that you're ahead 33% of the time against a tight raising shortstack? I think that your actually -EV to call.
 
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Fold or raise pre as others have said. And because of stack size there's not much you can do on the flop. I may have c/r's all in to keep in the times he c-bets with Ax and will only have 20% equity.
 
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I don't want to come across as a jerk, but that sounds like a bad tactic, unless there is something I don't know about 25nl.

I mean if you limp then fine, I mean there are reasons to limp- pot control, managing SPR, and probably some other stuff- but I think that limping is best reserved for limpworthy hands like middle suited connectors and what not.

Not that I advocate limping, but there are some reasons a person could justify it.



However, when you've limped into the pot hoping for a monster/draw AT is really not a supergood candidate. The straight it makes is the most obvious one, if someone else has top pair its often better than yours, and the flush is not likely to get any action.

That aside, what is the tactic that you're attempting? Again not trying to be rude, but what are you hoping to accomplish by limping? Are you hoping for more action? Are you intending to limp raise? Is there a specific purpose behind this that I'm just not seeing?

edit: also our getting about 2-1 here? do you think that you're ahead 33% of the time against a tight raising shortstack? I think that your actually -EV to call.

Hi Ubercroz, thanks for your feedback and absolutely not taken badly.

Well I mentionned I occasionally limp with suited aces to hit a hard flop, i have gotten paid off a few times when I hit a flush or flush draw which let me see a turn card free or cheap. Its not a move I plan on doing at higher stakes. Just something im experimenting with which in my experience I can get away with at 25nl. because of the very passive limpy type of game. I dont do it every single time.
 
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