$25 NLHE Full Ring: Overpair from the small blind

$25 NL HE Full Ring: Overpair from the small blind

This was my second hand at the table, I have no read on villain. I was hoping that he was just continuation betting on the flop, but when he went all in on the turn I was sure I was against either a king or a higher pair than 9's. What do you think of my play here?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($9.75)
Button ($32.56)
Hero (SB) ($24.75)
BB ($9.40)
UTG ($24.65)
MP1 ($10.53)
MP2 ($5)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 , 9
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO checks, Button bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.65, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.75) 7 , 2 , 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($16.75) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $25.31 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $16.75 | Rake: $0.84

C/C the flop is the wrong line to take here, bet this flop 100% of the time.

As for PF call OOP, i dont mind it too much. Not wanting to 3-bet here and get urself into any sticky situations where you get 4-bet and have to lay it down.

bet-fold the flop, c/f turn

Why don't we want to c/r the flop here? Most players these days cbet a ton and this is definitely a good board to cbet.

are you really ready to get it in here? our equity is not titanic even when we're ahead.

I don't hate the way this went down, except that I found at 25nl when a player made a bet amount adjusted for limpers it faaaar more often indicated a premium hand. Because of this i really like betting and giving up to a raise on the flop because its cheaper. I don't think you know enough to fold the flop as played, and I read him as very strong, so I don't like a check-raise on the flop. The river is just death to you. The stuff that didn't beat you now does, and the stuff that did beat you you have no leverage against. Sucks man. But smart laydown.

baudib1 said:

are you really ready to get it in here? our equity is not titanic even when we're ahead.

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I mis-read what you said. Saw it as bet-fold flop, then check-raise turn, and I was just wondering why you were taking that line.

RJB-7 said:

As for PF call OOP, i dont mind it too much. Not wanting to 3-bet here and get urself into any sticky situations where you get 4-bet and have to lay it down.

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Readless, I'm ok w the pf call oop, but never real happy - feel like I'm set mining oop, which I hate doing (I don't setmine 22-77 from sb at all), and we end up donk betting favorable flops, which I'm not extremely comfortable doing (mostly cuz I've never tried to rationalize any strategy around donkbetting).

99 is a hand I sometimes 3bet from the sb, though, against the right villains and situations - it's cheaper to fold to a 4bet pf than donkbetting/fold the flop, and if villain calls the 3bet (if I'm villain and get 3bet by sb here, I'm folding a large part of my range that made the btn open - my btn open range here though is 50%+, not the narrow range IveGot0uts thinks the avg 25nl player will use, and he may very well be correct), we should be getting credit for a pretty big hand (obviously I'm preferring to do this against someone who doesn't flat really big hands ip, and doesn't float a heckuva lot) giving a higher % chance of success after the 3bet on a favorable flop like this one.

Don't mean to derail the thread, I agree w the b/f c/f line, but any further thoughts on pf?

I do think that 25nl players don't steal as wide as they should, but I am only reading him as strong here because of the specific size of his raise. It seems people go with 3bb or 4bb at 25nl normally, and only adjust for limpers with pretty big holdings trying to pump the pot, especially using the half a bet increment.

Against a raise to 3 or 4bb I do like the 3bet here, unless the button is very aggro postflop, in which case I like getting to the flop 3 ways with set potential and a guy who's certain to put money in when I hit, so you don't need to donk bet, and even better if the other guy comes along.

When button raises to 7x after one limper, I'm inclined to fold 99 from the SB this early in a session. Either the button is a LAGtard, or he has something going with the limper. In position it might be a different matter but we're going to be OOP and we don't know the dynamic of what's going on here.

Limper and early post - that's why my opening range as btn is going to be so wide, neither rates to have anything.

slycbnew said:

Limper and early post - that's why my opening range as btn is going to be so wide, neither rates to have anything.

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Ah, didn't notice the early post from the CO. Then the 7x is not so strange, and makes the iso-raising range wider, making 99 even better for 3 betting pre here.

Still, I probably fold pre. Readless and OOP and given the size that the 3 bet is going to have to be and given the way players like to flat 3 bets after raising IP from late (in my experience) I tend to play nit/TAGfish early at a table. For me folding > 3 betting > flatting