$25 NLHE Full Ring: Overpair Common Spot

$25 NL HE Full Ring: Overpair Common Spot

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 11/4/3

Sample over 75 hands, 0% 3bet

Common reoccuring spot for me, should I be jamming the flop or should I be folding to this 3bet.

Then what should I do after flatting this flop, betting, check/call or check/raise or check/fold?


Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $28.15 (112.6 bb)
SB: $27.15 (108.6 bb)
BB: $42.15 (168.6 bb)
UTG+1: $26.85 (107.4 bb)
MP1: $23.40 (93.6 bb)
Hero (MP2): $25 (100 bb)
MP3: $15.85 (63.4 bb)
CO: $24.30 (97.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with K:club: K:diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, MP3 folds, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.35) 6:heart: 8:spade: Q:heart: (3 players)
Hero bets $2.50, CO raises to $5, BTN folds, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($13.35) Q:spade: (2 players)
Hero ??

Why are we flatting the flop min-raise?

I dont know, I need help with these situations

Jurn8 said:

I dont know, I need help with these situations

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Like, your hand is never going to get better, you have 2 outs. And you're out of position, and you're not going to know what turn cards help you and which ones help your opponent. Either KK is good enough to stack her, or dump it. I personally jam over his bet.

ok thanks C9, sorry for being an idiot just maybe being abit passive by not jamming there

Jurn8 said:

ok thanks C9, sorry for being an idiot just maybe being abit passive by not jamming there

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Yeah, the only reason I'd call the min-raise is if you think there's enough bluffs & he's aggressive enough that he'll bet the turn. However, even that's a difficult proposition because often the turn will come a scare card and we won't be super happy about shipping it in anymore. Or we'll check to our opponent, and he'll check his draw behind. So I think if you want to get it in on the flop, we should be 3-bet shoving the flop against a vast majority of opponent's.

Jurn, this is a very common problem for me as well.

Lately I am inclined to jam on the flop regardless. Right or wrong in the end, this seems to work better than playing for value against folks who will take anything all the way.

I don't want to let anyone catch up here, I would have been happy if they all folded my PF raise here, so why would I want to soft play this and let them catch up. We all know how often villain will take Qx or 2 hearts to the mat in a situation like this, but we don't want to encourage him at all. Make him pay!.

c9h13no3 said:

Yeah, the only reason I'd call the min-raise is if you think there's enough bluffs & he's aggressive enough that he'll bet the turn. However, even that's a difficult proposition because often the turn will come a scare card and we won't be super happy about shipping it in anymore. Or we'll check to our opponent, and he'll check his draw behind. So I think if you want to get it in on the flop, we should be 3-bet shoving the flop against a vast majority of opponent's.

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So tough sh*t if hes hit a set? I guess I was playing too passive + should have jammed over him

Jurn8 said:

I dont know, I need help with these situations

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Flatting that min bet is not a great idea against most opponents. Against an aggro maniac it can be ok since he will keep betting at you with nothing (or at least with very little) but will sometimes fold to raises. This guy is clearly not a maniac.

You should *always* be asking yourself. "What am I going to do if I'm raised?" Don't wait till it happens to think about it. Believe me...this is harder to do in practice than it is to say but you really should be doing it. Most people don't naturally start off this way... the thought process for most players at first goes something like "zomg, KK is awesome hand. I have an overpair, let's bet it cause it's a gud hand! Wait, wtf I got raised? Did the donkey suck out on me? I have nfc what to do now!! My hand is still good so let's call and hope he doesn't bet more maybe?" The major mistake in your thinking is the "wtf, I got raised?" part. Gotta know what you will do if that happens before it happens.

This is one of those spots where calling just sucks even though it's a fairly common thing to do here... you are giving him FE now because what are you going to do on that Q (which is a scare card)... check and let him bet with whatever he has again? Fold to it? Are we going to fold if he follows up on a river bet if we flat him on the turn again? What if a heart or an ace comes?

I don't mind jamming this on the flop and in fact that's probably what I would do. On the flop, he's going to have more than enough queens and flush draws in his range to do this.

You either need to be jamming the flop or folding to his raise. I hate calling that against this guy. If you are going to call the flop raise and then fold on a Q or a heart or an ace or simply to more aggression, then you have to fold the flop.

why are you flatting his raise on the flop.
jam the pot after he re-raises you on the flop.
KK on this board doesnt get much better imo.
if he turns over a set or AA so be it.
if he sucks out on you with AQ, so be it.

Actually why is everyone wanting to jam this in a 2bet pot? I absolutely hate jamming flops in these situations, unless villain is uber bad. 3bet jamming these flops is a set miners dream. Were probably beating a fl dr and maybe a poorly played Qx on the flop.

IDK, these situations suck and maybe I'm way too passive in these spots. But I don't think its as cut and dried as some of you suggest.