$25 NLHE Full Ring: optimal line versus reg

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 21/16/2

Ok another nice problem, this reg usually double barrels but has never fired the third and has a low wtsd, so what is the best way to play this turn?

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $28.03 (112.1 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $26.71 (106.8 bb)
MP1: $26.55 (106.2 bb)
MP2: $23.50 (94 bb)
MP3: $9.96 (39.8 bb)
CO: $25.25 (101 bb)
Hero (BTN): $27.09 (108.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T:spade: T:heart:
4 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB folds

Flop: ($2.50) T:club: 5:diamond: 7:diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70, SB folds

Turn: ($5.90) 3:spade: (2 players)
CO bets $3.60,
Hero?

Flatting probably not the best. We want to re-raise because all the hands we crush he can call with such as pocket 3's, 5s, 7s, 2 pair hands etc.

All the hands we flat will benefit his hands that will crush us... But even if we do re-raise and he shoves and we call.

We have outs to make the nuts. We got nothing to be afraid of.

Plan A: Get the money in being infront.

Plan B: Full house or quads

Just re-raise the turn and don't get scared with monsters in the closet... 64 is the only hand we fear. We don't want to see another diamond or another card to the straight. MAKE HIM PAY for draws.

Why you scared?? Your bankroll too small for level or new to this level?


***Reg or no reg*** he's put money into the pot he somewhat likes his hand... So don't be afraid to scare ppl off the hand. If they like their hand they will come and it looks like he's joining whatever we dish. But re-raising and ending the hand here ain't the worst choice either, tho we lose value I feel.

Aces2w1n said:

Flatting probably not the best.
Why you scared?? Your bankroll too small for level or new to this level?

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Very well rolled and not at all scared thank you.!
I'm just asking for opinions on the best way to get paid here!
I'm of the opinion that if we raise here we make our hand too face up and give him an easy fold.

Have to protect our hand as well

Sry didnt mean to insult buddy bout bein rolled

Aces2w1n said:

Have to protect our hand as well

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yes agreed.. an argument for betting

Aces2w1n said:

Sry didnt mean to insult buddy bout bein rolled

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yeah I'd noticed for a guy playing 2 and 5nl your opinions can get pretty abrasive......
at least you are explaining your thoughts properly which is of use of course.

I am not regular at cash game! - i am just learning

Some thoughts..

I did not even understand the stats which is in your HUD and why are low wtsd so important - what this could tell us?

Or why is good calling preflop? I mean our hand is basically set mine value at that point and 71% of the time will overcard hit the flop! hmm

If we take passive line overall, seems like we lose value (active stack 100bb beginning). And if we are facing vs regular opponent, how often they will pay us second best hand on river and how often are our hand second best on river?

Ambur said:

I did not even understand the stats which is in your HUD and why are low wtsd so important - what this could tell us?
Or why is good calling preflop? I mean our hand is basically set mine value at that point and 71% of the time will overcard hit the flop! hmm
If we take passive line overall, seems like we lose value (active stack 100bb beginning). And if we are facing vs regular opponent, how often they will pay us second best hand on river and how often are our hand second best on river?

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Good questions!
Hud stats are top line vpip / pfr / agg% / number of hands
second line 3bet% / fold to 3bet% / flop cbet% / fold to flop cbet
third line EP vpip% / MP vpip% / won hand at SD% / 4bet% / fold to 4bet%

If your opponent has a low WTSD percentage, (or in my HUD,or a low won hand at SD%) it means they are generally less aggressive and only get to showdown with their strongest hands, so then there's a lot of room to bluff them post flop.
As this particular player had a relatively low wtsd and doubles but doesn't triple barrel it means he's less likely to bet or call a bet on the river.

This is the problem here....If we raise the turn we are basically announcing we have a very strong hand and he has an easy fold, yet he is unlikely to bet on the end if we just call. So where if anywhere are we going to get extra value from this particular villain. Being in position is a big help here.
Apart from the flush draw coming in our hand is unlikely to be beaten on the river. So we could just call and hope he bets again on the river, If a flush draw comes we might regret that decision, so its a double edged sword. Against his normal opening range we have at least 95% equity on the turn so its a small chance he has a flush draw.

Personally I dont like 3betting hands like TT 99 88 77 in position unless I'm up against a total drooler. If you get 4 bet you often have to fold them which imo is a terrible waste of their equity, id much rather just see a flop, especially against aggressive regs. If we hit a set we will usually win at least two bets as we have here...they are always difficult to play postflop because as you say overcards will come so another reason why I don't like to inflate the pot early.

I actually really do not know - but i probably would 3bet flop and look what happens - SB came along+our hand is vulnerable and we already gave value away on preflop! (But do not take it as must be since i do not know nothing about nl25 -sometimes i play nl5 and that is about it). NL5 i would flat pre and 3bet/x flop (almost always) and re-evaluate the situation. I really want to use 100bb and this line which you took is too passive! imo

But yeah, you already know about the value of my advise on cash game (do not take it as must be) But the stats - i think villain has quite polarized range, which includes plenty of drawing hands and sometimes weird holdings!

Figaroo2 said:

yes agreed.. an argument for betting

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Protect your hand from what?

-HooDooKoo

call turn, shove river......

Figaroo2 said:

yes agreed.. an argument for betting



yeah I'd noticed for a guy playing 2 and 5nl your opinions can get pretty abrasive......
at least you are explaining your thoughts properly which is of use of course.

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yes I've put a lot of time and study into the game. i'm not your regular 2nl 5nl guy

and i even though i don't make sense sometimes, i do know what im talking about and have a lot of experience now.

HooDooKoo said:

Protect your hand from what?

-HooDooKoo

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Only from a flush draw but if you look at my later post I sort of discounted it....How would you play it?

I raise to $9.00.

I'm not at all worried about losing value here. Only big hands and big draws are betting this river anyway. If I can gii on the turn, great. If he folds, he wasn't betting the river unless I'm beaten anyway.

HooDooKoo said:

I raise to $9.00.

I'm not at all worried about losing value here. Only big hands and big draws are betting this river anyway. If I can gii on the turn, great. If he folds, he wasn't betting the river unless I'm beaten anyway.

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This is how it finished....
Turn: ($5.90) 3:spade: (2 players)
CO bets $3.60, Hero raises to $10.01, CO folds

Results: $13.10 pot ($0.59 rake)
Board: T:club: 5:diamond: 7:diamond: 3:spade:
CO mucked and lost (-$6.05 net)
Hero mucked T:spade: T:heart: and won $12.51 ($6.46 net)

The other reason for not 3 betting here was there was a fish in the SB..who I hit the set of jacks on in the other hand I posted at the same time as this one.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/25-nlhe-full-ring-how-do-262800/

I'm not surprised by the result, but I honestly don't think you gave up any value. I really think the villain was checking the river.

-HooDooKoo

HooDooKoo said:

I raise to $9.00.

I'm not at all worried about losing value here. Only big hands and big draws are betting this river anyway. If I can gii on the turn, great. If he folds, he wasn't betting the river unless I'm beaten anyway.

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+1

HooDooKoo said:

Protect your hand from what?

-HooDooKoo

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Well letting those guys catch their dream river. A lot of villains will like to sneek in a 2/3 or even half the pot to try and discount themselves to getting the river.

A lot of rivers will be ugly for us.