$25 NLHE Full Ring: Open ender Flush Draw in pos on Flop

- $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
SB: $19.89 VPIP 43% PFR 9% AGG 2.6 HANDS 55
BB: $24.75
UTG Hero: $47.10
UTG+1: $25.89
MP: $33.90
MP+1: $14.12
MP+2: $26.17 (sitting out)
CO: $25.72
BTN: $22.20

Pre-flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG and dealt
Hero calls $0.25, UTG+1 folds, MP calls $0.25, MP+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.25) (6 players)
SB bets $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $4.25, 2 folds, SB calls $3.25

Turn: ($9.75) (3 players)
SB bets $2, Hero Ok im not even sure why i limp utg or for that matter why i even played this hand ,but he donk bets out and has $13.39 left and pot is now $11.75 Looks to me like we have 17 outs What's our best plan of attack here??? Call and try to hit or just jamm it in, also how was my Flop bet here?

Gah seriously fold pre.

The $2 bet on the turn looks so FOS that in game i jam.

Why did you limp?

I just call the flop, but I also don't open limp.

obv the limpings bad, but raise the flop all day.. maybe i'm too agressive with draws.. i dunno.

flop raise was a little big I think?

raise his turn donk as well, you have a load of equity here still.

acky100 said:

Why did you limp?

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Like i said earlier not even sure misclick, luckyhand ,look good, i don't know. But if he has AQ or KQ Or something like that then pokerstove says we are behind so should we call and hope to hit or just jam turn?

Against a hand like KQ that we assume he never folds we have ~33% equity. If we shove and he calls we need ~38% equity BUT since he doesn't just have TP hands and he may in fact FOLD to the turn shove there is very little doubt that shoving the turn will show a profit.

BTW fold preflop. If you can't do that at least raise. Limping UTG is so bad.

I KNOW pre i stated that in the Original Post , i remember now i jumped up to get a drink then came back and seen the cat on the keyboard . he must have clicked the limp button dam him.

Teach your cat not to open limp imo! And yeah I read what you wrote about your play preflop but you did it anyway so I'm just reenforcing that it's BAD!

Yeah one time he went allin with pocket **&^% bad story or bluff imo.

Fold pre
Raise flop - I often call multi-way but this guys a huge fish I'm happy to isolate him.
I Shove turn, we just have so many outs and even this guy will fold 9x/6x or a stronger flush draw from time to time. A call is fine too both are solidly +EV

To me that looks like a block bet. He is setting his own cheap price to see the river with a draw of some sort.

Even if we shove and he calls with Q2 we are behind but i do think we have fold equity because of his bet size and the fact he didnt get it in on the flop. In this case i prefer shove. Nothing wrong with calling though but i think you have a better chance to win with a shove here.

I won't berate you on the limp Honestly I have no problem playing this from UTG if you're raising to .75 or $1. As the hand played out however, I really like the raise on the flop with the combo draw. Once he sheepishly puts out another blocking bet on the turn I would go ahead and set him in as you have enough equity against a random hand in this limped pot.

I wouldn't really fear for him having a monster because in my experience at these limits when people put out small bets like this is succession it's because they have a very marginal holding and just want to see it cheap. You've already set the standard of having a good hand by the raise on the flop so you should go ahead and set him in here and if he calls you're still not in bad shape.


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Board: 9d Qs 6s 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.342% 54.00% 00.35% 24590 157.50 { JsTs }
Hand 1: 45.658% 45.31% 00.35% 20635 157.50 { random }

6 max UTG raise MAYBE, if you are targetzing the blinds - and pretty sure HJ,CO and BTN are probably folding, but w/e. Vs a call from them. meh, vs a 3 bet meh etc. If SB and BB are bad then yea, but FR I am folding here. just me.

Getting it in on the turn seems like the best move now. If you plan is to try to get in in on the turn then bet size ok, otherwise maybe call the flop, or raise 3?. As is jam.

And everyone knows cats are notorius limpers... Must be all the lives IDK.

As long as the dog doesent eat the homework..................

fletchdad said:

6 max UTG raise MAYBE, if you are targetzing the blinds - and pretty sure HJ,CO and BTN are probably folding, but w/e. Vs a call from them. meh, vs a 3 bet meh etc. If SB and BB are bad then yea, but FR I am folding here. just me.

Getting it in on the turn seems like the best move now. If you plan is to try to get in in on the turn then bet size ok, otherwise maybe call the flop, or raise 3?. As is jam.

And everyone knows cats are notorius limpers... Must be all the lives IDK.

As long as the dog doesent eat the homework..................

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I didn't realize when I posted this was FR and not 6m. In FR I would fold this pre for sure.

Meh I've changed my mind, I think I prefer a call. his fishy stats make the difference, we're going to get less folds than normal when shoving and more calls on the river when we hit.

Again super close though and both are super +EV

Just call he made it cheap

Stephen101 said:

Just call he made it cheap

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So why do we want to make it cheap for him as well?

By calling you give him a chance to stay in a hand with anything. He can have a better FD, make trips or 2p. We have equity in the hand so if we shove here, we can win if we hit our draw - not all that far fetched - and we can maybe get hands that beat us if we miss to fold. By calling "cause its cheap" we lose any FE me may have and now HAVE to hit to win. And if we do hit, he may not put in another cent.

Why do we want to make it easy for him?

With out hand we should def be raising him all in. As stated above we can get some stuff to fold and even if we're called we're not doing that bad. Even with this as a sim I'm not arguing:


Board: 9d Qs 6s 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.888% 39.70% 01.19% 5262 157.50 { JsTs }
Hand 1: 59.112% 57.92% 01.19% 7678 157.50 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }


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dwbrown7680 said:

Hand 1: 59.112% 57.92% 01.19% 7678 157.50 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

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Not arguing against your point the shove is defo EV+ but swap all these A2s+ hands with As2s hands. Villain isn't going to be getting it in with A2 diamonds.

The latest Poker stove update makes this easy as you can click on the player 2 buttons and select all his hands visually.

After much thought, I think minraising the turn and shoving the rest on non-Q rivers is the best play.

Deco said:

Not arguing against your point the shove is defo EV+ but swap all these A2s+ hands with As2s hands. Villain isn't going to be getting it in with A2 diamonds.

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Yeah I just hastily put in top 25% for villain's hands and that's what it spouted out. I'll adjust it and see how much if any it changes it.