Right, where do I start? Sorry for the wall of paragraphed text and quotes etc I'm about to write.
First of all I'd like to start off saying that I do understand where your coming from, but for some reason no-one here wants to consider my opinion on it. There's never a one way about poker, there's always multiple ways of going about things.
-EV I don't think is the best choice of words, but the point does still stand tbh.
Adjusting to having the fish to our direct left can make us some money when we hit, but playing so many pots OOP hinders our win rate imo. My point was that at 25nl (why are we talking about 200nl in a micro HH thread?) there are a whole bunch of fish with stats like/worse than these at most of the tables at the micros. I'm 10 tabling while writing this and at some of my tables I've got an: 88/0, 67/14, 53/0, 60/20, 40/20, 33/0 and 64/23.
Plenty of tables, even more fish. Why make life difficult playing OOP when you can move tables in less than 10 seconds and have the same or worse player to your right this time?
Originally Posted by Deco
Compare your winrate vs 70+vpip fish OOP compared to your winrate stealing blinds off nits. We are going to have to tighten up but having this guy at the table in the first place more than makes up for it. (I'd post if I had access to my database right now).
Do you honestly think when you see that 30 long waiting list to join what will be a very rare 70vpip player at 200NL that if the waiters are sat to the left of the 70vpip they leave as it's -EV. I only leave a table if there are absolutely no fish (a meagre 25/14 would do me) or a very good aggressive reg is on my left and using position to make my life hell.
Those are all solid reasons to leave the table, but this is 25nl. And I'm not on about playing at a table full of nits, where you'll get little/no action.. I'm just saying having a nit to our left lets us abuse our position a lot more. Obv our winrate improves if we play more pots in position right?
Originally Posted by Deco
This is a complete non-argument. It's like saying:
"Sitting with a 70vpip player is -EV because we could just open a table with an 80vpip player."
If I was one tabling and I had the choice between a table with a 70vpip on my left and a 70vpip on my right I would choose the 2nd table. This does not mean the first table is -EV!! Both tables are hugely profitable!!
In practise most of us multi-table, saying to the OP you should leave the table without having this theoretical great table, (assuming all other tables open have a 70vpip player to are right as well) but to go look for a table with a nit to our left is one of the most absurd arguments I've ever had. Unless all 8 of my tables had 70vpips to my right bar one and another table came up with one to my right only then would I switch yet it has never happened in the entire 750K hands and 5years I have played poker!
How is this a non argument? This goes back to my earlier reply, not gonna type it all out again.
Saying to the OP that these great tables don't exist is obv a lie, in fact a lot of them at the micros have them in abundance. No-one said we were looking for a nit to our left, just that.. **** it.
750k in 5 years isn't much to be proud of either, dunno if thats a badly disguised brag or not..
Originally Posted by jbbb
Seriously, this! You raise medium strength value hands, drop hands that require FE to become +EV such as suited connectors. When you hit you bet, bet, bet. They call with a lot worse, they rarely raise, when they do they obviously have the nuts so you fold. Easy game.
I do like this as a way to adjust, but this is only really needed if we have the inability to move. If we can't then naturally this is the route I would take.
Wall of text over.. I think I'm done now.