$25 NLHE Full Ring: KK second hand; shoved over on low flop

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: KK second hand; shoved over on low flop

Second hand at the table so no reads at all. KK in the SB with two callers behind. This is ony $25nl FR so I don't know how often this is a FD or combo draw? Or just a donkey play with AT?


Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker - http://www.stoxpoker.com/

BTN: $12.40 (49.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $24.75 (99 bb)
BB: $31.14 (124.6 bb)
UTG+2: $34.39 (137.6 bb)
MP1: $36.06 (144.2 bb)
MP2: $5.54 (22.2 bb)
MP3: $26.34 (105.4 bb)
CO: $21.30 (85.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Kd Ks
CO posts BB out of position, UTG+2 calls $0.25,
MP1 raises to $0.50, 2 folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds,
Hero raises to $2, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.50, CO folds

Flop: ($6.75) 5s 7s Tc (3 players)
Hero bets $5,
UTG+2 raises to $32.39 and is all-in, MP1 folds,
Hero ???
 
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Second hand at the table so no reads at all. KK in the SB with two callers behind. This is ony $25nl FR so I don't know how often this is a FD or combo draw? Or just a donkey play with AT?


Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker - http://www.stoxpoker.com/

BTN: $12.40 (49.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $24.75 (99 bb)
BB: $31.14 (124.6 bb)
UTG+2: $34.39 (137.6 bb)
MP1: $36.06 (144.2 bb)
MP2: $5.54 (22.2 bb)
MP3: $26.34 (105.4 bb)
CO: $21.30 (85.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Kd Ks
CO posts BB out of position, UTG+2 calls $0.25,
MP1 raises to $0.50, 2 folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds,
Hero raises to $2, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.50, CO folds

Flop: ($6.75) 5s 7s Tc (3 players)
Hero bets $5,
UTG+2 raises to $32.39 and is all-in, MP1 folds,
Hero ???

I think this play mostly turns out to be medium pp's usually (99/JJ/QQ afraid of AK) and sometimes big pp's (afraid they'll lose money pf by raising). Once in a while I think this is a big suited A.

Just my bias, but I discount combo draws and sets here because of the shove - w a combo draw or a set, I want to build the pot not shut out the other guy - but a lot of people don't see the value of combo draws, so maybe they would make a bluffy looking shove here.
 
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I think this play mostly turns out to be medium pp's usually (99/JJ/QQ afraid of AK) and sometimes big pp's (afraid they'll lose money pf by raising). Once in a while I think this is a big suited A.

Just my bias, but I discount combo draws and sets here because of the shove - w a combo draw or a set, I want to build the pot not shut out the other guy - but a lot of people don't see the value of combo draws, so maybe they would make a bluffy looking shove here.

Flop obviously doesn't hit my range very well, and possibly not MP1 who made the min-raise, unless he's panicing about the FD in combination with MP1 and me both in the pot. Given the level and absence of reads I find this a bit of a guessing game.

It probably doesn't help to think, what open-limps preflop then calls after a minraise/3 bet with the minraiser still to act; I think the range is still pretty wide like you say; PP/Big ace, even SC.


Eh, I'm still not sure one way or the other but it sounds like you expect me to be ahead here. This is one of the difficulties of only playing 15 min sessions to do the Take 2 promotion :)
 
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I call here but im not super happy about it, not long ago i would folded here but a similar hand posted elsewhere got me thinking why would he jam here with a set? Wouldnt he make it like 13$ and call shove.

I agree with Sly this is JJ/99 alot of the times and T9/89,SS and other combos enought to balance out the times u run into a villain that plays sets like this.
If he does turn out to have 55 or w/e we still have 2outs to our kings and the back door flush draws and we will just note villain
 
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An over the top raise like this makes me think flush draw with the ace or maybe an overpair. I imagine the villain would have played a set more modestly to extract more value.

I think you have to call and pray for the best.
 
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I agree with Sindri here, too, with the addendum that although it's been awhile since I played 25NL and don't necessarily know what they're up to nowadays, I think I can count on one hand the number of opponents I've ever faced that play sets this way. So you have quite a buffer of +EV to help you cope with the times you run into that sort of guy.
 
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I agree that a set would have tried to extract maximum value. That would leave a draw or other big pair--I'd call it.
 
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