$25 NLHE Full Ring: KK preflop OOP, 4bet ?

$25 NL HE Full Ring: KK preflop OOP, 4bet ?

MP3 65/21/7 60 hands.
BTN is 20/7 over only 15 hands so pretty much unknown.

Thing is I didnt really know what to do here. Were OOP which makes things harder for me. Mp3 is obviously a fish,
I dont know wth BTN is doing min 3 betting. But how do we react to it ?

I think just calling is pretty terrible, as Mp3 can easily come over the top, and even if he doesnt we still gotta play OOP 3 way.

So is a 4bet fine ? If we get it in and run into AA is it just a cooler ?
What do you put BTN on ?

UTG: $22.80 (91.2 bb)
UTG+1: $9.55 (38.2 bb)
MP1: $25.40 (101.6 bb)
MP2: $25.70 (102.8 bb)
MP3: $28 (112 bb)
CO: $6.35 (25.4 bb)
BTN: $22.45 (89.8 bb)
SB: $24.95 (99.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $26.85 (107.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with K:diamond: K:club:
4 folds, MP3 raises to $1.25, CO folds, BTN raises to $2.75, SB folds, Hero ???

Im not in the habit of folding KK vs unknowns, who are probably isolating anyway. 4 bet is pretty standard here, I really don't want this to go 3way.

I agree.
Snap call a shove too right ?!

If BTN 3bet a more normal amount like $5-$4.5 do we still 4 bet ?

yes snapcall because we have kings.

yes 4-bet because of what you and liam said - folding is still blatantly horrible and calling will still encourage the donk to come along for the ride and playing deep 4-bet pots OOP 3-way isn't much fun.

as for button's range he could be isolating in position vs. the donk with any mid/high pair and most broadway hands i guess. the small raise amount doesn't necessarily mean a lot - it could be that he is strong and wants to make sure he lures the donk in or it could be that he is marginal and wants to isolate the donk but not invest too much in doing so. with only 15 hands on him it's impossible to tell.

Dorkus Malorkus said:

as for button's range he could be isolating in position vs. the donk with any mid/high pair and most broadway hands i guess. the small raise amount doesn't necessarily mean a lot - it could be that he is strong and wants to make sure he lures the donk in or it could be that he is marginal and wants to isolate the donk but not invest too much in doing so. with only 15 hands on him it's impossible to tell.

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I thought isolation was only when you raised after 1 or more limpers ?
Strictly talking about the size, what does it accomplish besides putting an extra $1 in the pot.

It doesn't make much sense to me :\

Yep you call you're enticing 3 way, am in no way folding KK here, out of position or not, so seconding tenbobs advice here. If you run into AA, that's just the way the cookie crumbles my friend

Didn't read any replies. Trying to work on hands without other input.

4bet is like the only option isn't it? We're never folding kk vs a min 3bet and calling us just horrible unless you have a read the utg is spewy and likes to get it in, in which case flatting and backraising might be an option.

Pretty standard 4bet no matter what the btn bet size is with utg still to act.

KK vs. Unknown's min 3-bet = instant ship it IMO