$25 NLHE Full Ring: KK pos nit 3bets pre?? should we

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem (8 players)
SB: $8.86
BB: $35.29
UTG: $25
UTG+1: $23.80 VPIP 15% PFR 9% AGG 1.6 HANDS 4,200
MP: $18.55 VPIP 10% PFR 0% 3BET 0% AGG 2.0HANDS 97
MP+1: $7.50 (sitting out)
CO Hero: $26.71
BTN: $27.74

Pre-flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO and dealt
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.85, MP raises to $2.20, Hero

1) Should we 4bet and what if he shoves ??
2) Should we Flat and play pos postflop??

iono this looks tough wouldnt 1 or 2 be ok? 1 if ur feelin froggy and play for stacks..2 to play it safe i guess but if flop comes dry for both n he does have aces its an all in anyways no?

He's only got ~70bb. I can't see doing anything less than just getting it in.

WVHillbilly said:

He's only got ~70bb. I can't see doing anything less than just getting it in.

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Ditto

WVHillbilly said:

He's only got ~70bb. I can't see doing anything less than just getting it in.

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You Did see his Stats right??????

The stats are certainly worrying but not worrying enough to make me fold KK for 70bb vs a fish.

ALL IN CLUBS said:

You Did see his Stats right??????

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Sure but it's less than 100 hands and he could certainly play QQ and AA the same way preflop and you wouldn't even know it yet. If he's got them Aces just pay the man.

Just call. Worse hands fold and only kk,aa maybe q,q calls. Seems like raise has no value. And call disguise your hand. You may trap your enemy.

HoldOnTheRail said:

Just call. Worse hands fold and only kk,aa maybe q,q calls. Seems like raise has no value. And call disguise your hand. You may trap your enemy.

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Just fold and save the raise money, he clearly only EVER has AA here!

What? You think the only hand he 3bets is AA based on a less than 100 hand sample???

Aldito said:

Just fold and save the raise money, he clearly only EVER has AA here!

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He will have only had the chance to 3bet for a fraction of these hands. Any time he hasn't faced a raise it's not been possible. So this is really only out of <40 hands

On average we are dealt AA every 220 hands.

lol jokaments

No good player I know folds here, but villain always has aces. I just think you gotta donate here.

Does calling to keep in the 15/9 makes sense?

Read OP thought: 4bet and get it in.

Read rest of the thread got confused.

AA is not the only hand he plays this way.

c9h13no3 said:

No good player I know folds here, but villain always has aces. I just think you gotta donate here.

Does calling to keep in the 15/9 makes sense?

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I don't particularly agree with just flatting, but it's an interesting point for discussion.

ewww full ring. I think C9 has a good point about flatting. Firstly the initial raiser might come along and unless and ace flops we're happy to play aggressively post flop.
Also someone behind (maybe shortstack in SB) might re-shove with all the dead money in the pot and we can re-shove happily.

I don't really like 4betting because it's sooo strong, a 5bet would surely have us crushed.