$25 NLHE Full Ring: KK multiway pot

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$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
SB: $26.91 VPIP 15% PFR 10% AGG 2.1 HANDS 2,500
BB: $3.07 VPIP 54% PFR 10% AGG 2.1 HANDS 71
UTG: $27.34
UTG+1: $16.51
MP: $46.80
MP+1: $29.07
MP+2: $22.09
CO: $27.15
BTN Hero: $70.84

Pre-flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN and dealt :kd4: :kc4:
3 folds, MP+1 raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.55, SB calls $2.45, BB raises to $3.07 (All-in), MP+1 calls $2.22, Hero calls $0.52, SB calls $0.52

Flop: ($12.28) :6s4: :2h4: :8c4: (4 players)
SB checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets $9.21, SB raises to $23.84 (All-in), MP+1 folds, Hero So theres $45.33 now and we are getting 3to1 to call should we ???
 
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Getting just over to 3.3/1 You have to call.
 
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Gotta call hope he has QQ/JJ/1010, most likely set though =/

I'm assuming you called, what'd he have?
 
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Even if he does have a set often we only need the frequency to be 75/25 for sets/overpairs. to make it a profitable call. I think that is very probable that he does this with the right frequency that makes it a have to call. Although you do still have BB to count, depending what range you put him on you're getting slightly less than 3.3/1 but still have over 3/1.
 
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Although you do still have BB to count

The BB doesnt matter in this hand at all, hes an insignificant shortie once the other 2 full stacked guys get involved, we want their stacks, his would be a bonus.

As played this is an easy call imo, for whoever said this is most likely a set, is the small blind really flatting a 3bet pre with 66/22/88??? I dont think so, not enough to say its most likely anyway!

Get it in and hope he has TT-QQ and not AA
 
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Whoops thought it was MP+1 who made the call of the 3bet, which would be discounted along with pot odds. But considering it's the small blind I suppose 88 is possible, regardless gotta get it in.
 
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I think they don't let you shove there jbbb.. They make you call the $0.52 or fold.
 
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The BB doesnt matter in this hand at all, hes an insignificant shortie once the other 2 full stacked guys get involved, we want their stacks, his would be a bonus.

As played this is an easy call imo, for whoever said this is most likely a set, is the small blind really flatting a 3bet pre with 66/22/88??? I dont think so, not enough to say its most likely anyway!

Get it in and hope he has TT-QQ and not AA

He is involved in more than a 1/4 of the pot. Hardly an insignificant amount and does effect our odds when you consider his equity in that sidepot. Not enough to fold but in some instances it could be.
 
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I think they don't let you shove there jbbb.. They make you call the $0.52 or fold.

it's no-limit and I vote you shove or raise a considerable amount, like $15 shoving any flop. Prefer shoving though.
 
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it's no-limit and I vote you shove or raise a considerable amount, like $15 shoving any flop. Prefer shoving though.

I thought you meant "wtf pre was horrible" like you wanted him to push all-in pre-flop, I was stating that I don't believe they let you raise again after the short stack had pushed.
 
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wtf pre was horrible just shove
He can't shove pre because the shorty's all-in was less than the legal raise that is needed to reopen the betting.

As played this isn't even a question, snap call, fist pump, and call the neighbors. Tons of overpairs in his range that you crush. Yeah he's going to have AA occasionally but this is almost never a set and even if it is he's losing money by making the call preflop.

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SB is 15/10 suggests monster with that raise, not big enough sample really but damn all-in on flop, did he feel like a gambler? Say he had 88 or 66 was it good to call with KK (actual question for peanut gallery, not to All-in-Clubs)?
 
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SB is 15/10 suggests monster with that raise, not big enough sample really but damn all-in on flop, did he feel like a gambler? Say he had 88 or 66 was it good to call with KK (actual question for peanut gallery, not to All-in-Clubs)?
You mean if we know he has a set? Of course not but against his range it's certainly a good call.
 
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Given the villain stats i am quite sure his range for calling a squeeze is not that large. Actually i am sure he has TT-AA. At least this is what i am thinking. I do not see a nit like that calling that much with a low pocket pair even though i might be wrong because OP did not posted the other stats. Anyway . You have a good sample of hands over the villain and the stats might be quite accurate. Pls post all his stats.

Regardless, i would call and take a not for the future.
 
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bink K on river to suck out vs. AA/88
 
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He can't call that much pre with 88 or lower pocket. He VPIP just 16 percent. It may be hidden AA? He was afraid to get you out of the pot. I think you should call. You already pot pretty much money in the pot. He may done this with QQ JJ? Maybe he is that type of player? I call!
 
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i would call for sure you getting the right pot odds for your hand and 9 out of 10 times your ahead in this spot
 
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If you were ever thinking of folding here then you should have bet much less on the flop. You could have saved yourself at least 12 big blinds and bet 6$ with the same effect for instance. Personally I don't think I am ever folding here. There are just too many overpairs that he can be overvaluing. Maybe if the flop was JT8 or something I would consider it.
 
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I might actually time-out fold because I'm double fist-pumping so much and get carried away
 
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I think you should pay more attention to stack sizes. Raise preflop to $1.85 so when shortstack shoves with just over $3 you can reship it. Thats my line.
 
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I think you should pay more attention to stack sizes. Raise preflop to $1.85 so when shortstack shoves with just over $3 you can reship it. Thats my line.

I'm not worried who's behind me pre, im going to raise that amount in pos every time pre with hands like that .And i'm not going to make it any cheaper for someone to call.
 
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I'm not worried who's behind me pre, im going to raise that amount in pos every time pre with hands like that .And i'm not going to make it any cheaper for someone to call.
^^ I approve this message.Make our pre flop raise size's due to what the SS scum has left ,,,haha

Edit:Call
 
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