$25 NLHE Full Ring: JJ vs nit

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iPoker - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $28.61 (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 34)
MP+1: $25.00 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP+2: $25.27 (VPIP: 7.25, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
CO: $75.03 (VPIP: 41.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 100)
Hero (BTN): $72.42
SB: $24.95 (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
BB: $7.50
UTG: $13.19 (VPIP: 8.55, PFR: 3.42, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 117)
UTG+1: $34.58 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 15)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25, CO posts penalty blind $0.35

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.70) Hero has J:spade: J:diamond:

fold, fold, MP calls $0.25, fold, MP+2 raises to $1.35, fold, Hero calls $1.35, fold, BB calls $1.10, MP calls $1.10

Flop: ($5.85, 4 players) J:heart: 7:heart: 8:heart:
BB checks, MP checks, MP+2 bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00, fold, fold

Turn: ($13.85, 2 players) K:diamond:
MP+2 bets $8.00, Hero raises to $67.07, MP+2 calls $11.92

River: ($53.69, 2 players) 4:diamond:

What do you guys think about pre? I usually 3bet here but is it right against a nit?
 
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Flatting is fine there.

I would rather raise the flop. MP2 has a chunk of overpairs in his range that will call, esp with a FD.
 
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Okay pre flop.
on the flop you prune to do a re-raise, I think against several players and having many projects is better to re-raise already on the flop. There are many turn to slow down the action. And apart at these levels you can play exploding
 
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He is tight. JJ is only marginally ahear of his range, so I like calling instead of 3-betting. I doubt he flopped the flush (not that many 2 heart hands in his range) looks like a big pair with a heart. If it was KK you are really drawing dead. Gotta hope its AA.
 
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Flatting is fine, didn't realize how crappy that board is always raising. Although you do lose value from continued ak/aq hands, your going to lose more value if say a straight card comes and there is always that possibility not to mention a heart, he could even have 99-1010 some of the time.
 
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pre is fine... flop I prefer calling and hoping we can get BB and/or MP in there. BB is 25bbs, so no reason to try and push him out. If both were full stacked then I prefer a raise on a monotone flop. I don't hate raising the flop either, but think EV of call is slightly higher.

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I agree flatting flop is best. I think a Nit can fold an overpair pretty easy unless it is AhAx/KhKx. This is probably one of the scariest flops possible for an overpair. I also like letting the fish come in and I really don't mind a heart turn and think calling flop is higher EV and lower variance. I also think a nit will barrel a non heart overpair on the turn and be committed to calling off at that point so there is value in that.

I also feel like getting it in, even with top set is probably going to be a coin flip against a continuing range since there is going to be a lot of flush/straight combos in villains range that are left to act. I'll probably plug it in to stove later and see what it comes up with but I'm just not fist pump getting it in here. I'm also ok with a heart peeling off and folding/calling depending on odds against a nit that will probably never bluff a heart.

The nit showed up with Qh9h and made me question that I should probably have 3bet pre since even nits are going to isolate limpers with a wider range so I should 3bet with a wider range. This guy was an uber nit though that had played 2 of 70 hands so I really didn't think he was actually playing the isolating style of poker and was merely nut peddling.(There were tons of opportunity to isolate dead money in these games and he never pounced before.) I've had other situations where I have assigned too tight of a range for a nit and they show up with an open of J10o UTG. I think for the most part you shouldn't include these hands but I do think I can 3bet pre here and maybe fold if the nit jams and if he flats I can play a good hand in position and take it from there.
 
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uryeah but if villain doesnt have a strong heart ... hearts may stop the action on the turn also T or 9 that is why i thought raising flop is best
 
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Preflop is ok, on flop raise and turn all in. The player had a draw to flush and You need to make him fold.
 
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