$25 NLHE Full Ring: JJ facing 3 barrels on wet flop

(13k hands datamined) 18/13/AF=3.6 cbet f 72% cbet t 53% cbet r 53% WTSD 23%



Merge - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (CO): $25.35
BTN: $33.72
SB: $38.86
BB: $37.80
UTG: $37.11
UTG+1: $25.05
MP: $28.28
MP+1: $17.59
LP: $35.65

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has J:spade: J:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, LP raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 9:spade: 8:club: T:club:
LP bets $1.85, Hero calls $1.85

Turn: ($5.55, 2 players) 8:heart:
LP bets $5.20, Hero calls $5.20

River: ($15.95, 2 players) 4:diamond:
LP bets $12.46 Herrooo?

this guy is really strong but i think it would be sexy to raise the turn

It looks like your opponent has an overpair, probably Kings. Or, he's representing and he's pushing you around. I don't think he would be betting at that amount with only top pair. Did you end up folding, calling, or raising?

Man thats some nice value bet sizing by villain.

what country is he from

3 bet pre if not raise flop bet. you'll find out a lot faster where u stand

flatcaller said:

3 bet pre if not raise flop bet. you'll find out a lot faster where u stand

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Lulz. SOOO BAAD.

Assuming there is no real history between you two (not that you'd know with your datamined hands anyway) I'd fold.

Why would you want to raise the turn gomez?

I kind of want to call because draws missed and stats indicate he bluffs a lot and is very aggro it looks. Its a good play on his part because if he's competent at hand reading he can easily put us on the type of hand we have.

Whats his W$SD? if thats high i'd probably be more likely to fold.

53% cbet on river is high so this guy is definitely bluffing a lot of rivers id say if the stat isnt out of like 10 hands which it shouldn't be over 13k hands i think.

Could go both ways but if ever there was a time i called 3 barrels it might just be against this guy!

I want to raise the turn because the board is super wet and I think he has more qq+ than sets or connectors. If we raise the turn I think he's capable of folding overpairs

another standard spot where raising the turn is terrible.

why?

bgomez89 said:

why?

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What do you think he folds if we raise the turn?

I think he could be capable of folding QQ+, I know i would

baudib1 said:

what country is he from

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I LOL'ed, so true.

I do find this board texture to be tough to bluff but a call down may be warranted here, really tough to say with the info provided, just gambling either way. Not a big fan of raising flop or turn and preflop can go either way, obviously a 3bet there is fine. As played I probably look him up. As for that turn raise, bluff shoving the river could be even crazier, but I don't like either, you are dealing with a man that is either bluffing or value betting and he may still believe his value betting hand is good after you shove, especailly with tons of missed draws and the fact that everyone fast plays that board texture. This could give you insight into the best way to play your next big hand on a board like this, but for this hand the answer really lies in what hero is thinking at the time of the game.

3bet preflop to make things easier

ljove said:

3bet preflop to make things easier

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Ugh

Could someone explain why bluffing turn is bad? I understand it could be a wrong play but not sure why.

I dont think we rep anything that he doesn't already beat gomez, like we're not calling one with a set on the flop. And we probably arent calling one with AA or KK either and we rarely will be just flatting them pre either. Atleast that's why turn raising looks bad to me.

Agg 3.6 could he have A10 and bet bet bet ???

I think I like to raise the flop here. Your getting value on draws and you have a decent amount of outs to improve your hand even further. The question is do you think the opponent would ever fold AA/KK/QQ in this spot even if you rep a monster?

easy fold on the turn.

Sori said:

I think I like to raise the flop here. Your getting value on draws and you have a decent amount of outs to improve your hand even further. The question is do you think the opponent would ever fold AA/KK/QQ in this spot even if you rep a monster?

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Yeah since we can't rep much bluffing the turn, I'm kind of wondering why a flop raise is bad.

fold, he has quads here.

joking, he has at least a full house, he is checking riv with a straight.
but 18/13 tripple barreling I think he has quads like 50% of the time, the rest he checks on the river because he is afraid of quads because this is full ring and everyone is a nit and nobody plays unless they have at least 2nd nuts, so I think he is only betting river with quads.

What do you think of semi bluff re-raising flop?