$25 NLHE Full Ring: Interesting spot in a 3bet pot

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pokerstars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

Button ($27.55)
SB ($11.90)
BB ($15.95)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($37.80)
Hero (MP1) ($25)
MP2 ($48.68)
MP3 ($28.78)
CO ($26.59)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q
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, Q
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, MP2 raises to $2.21, 5 folds, Hero calls $1.59

Flop: ($4.77) 6
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, 5
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, 10
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $3.03, Hero calls $3.03

Turn: ($10.83) J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $43.44 (All-In), Hero calls $19.76 (All-In)

River: ($50.35) 5
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(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $50.35 | Rake: $2

MP2 is playing 10/10 with 10.3% 3bet and AF=4 but sample is only 79 hands so meh.

I called because I didn't think any hand that beats me has a reason to shove here.
Figured he has AK so is shoving his overcards + gutshot.

Opinions?
 
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Gross.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
9,240 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 6 T 5 J
Hand - Pot equity
TT-AA, AK - 59.35%
QQ - 40.65%

You're getting 1.5:1 pot odds, if he shoves that range you have 1.46:1 equity. It's probably a fold, since we can't say for sure he shoves AK here. But I really hate folding an over pair in a 3-bet pot.

Also, I probably just 4-bet this and call it off.
 
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i would not have made a laydown at that spot. The board looks fairly safe for our pair of queens and folding this would be very knitty in my mind. If the villain has overpair/set then it would be a cooler but otherwise we are good so i call.
 
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I think this is a fold. You don't really beat any PP that he'd 3bet, except 99. I'm not convinced villain jams AK like that, definitely not 100% of the time.
 
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How big of a thread is the flush draw? I am not calling many connectors OOP so my range here is mostly overpairs and sets and maybe AK with FD.
 
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I hate these spots as well. About 40% equity against pfr of 10 looks about right, 6 times out of 10 they have aces or kings here (seems like 100% when I have QQ.) Every now and again you might see JJ AK.
Against someone with 10% 3bet range personally I would 4 bet pre. If he is under 5% 3bet then id call.
I find Its almost impossible to get away from these hands if undercards fall on the flop.
Here though the big shove gives you some chance to get away from it, but the shove raises the question why shove with a value hand, it looks like a 'go away you pest' shove. Unfortunatey that doesnt mean we arent still beat here. In fact thinking about it now I would suspect AA and KK to do this not a set, so I may fold QQ here.
In the end its down to what you know about the player. If he is largely unknown i might fold, if he is loose and high post flop agg id probably call.
So chances are you got stacked. Lol
 
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Actually he had AQo and I stacked him :) but I wanted to see what people think about this spot.

I didn't want to 4bet since on such a small sample 10% 3bet is not necessarily accurate.

Basically I figured his 3bet range misses a lot here and he is trying to buy the pot with some equity... if my range has very few flush draws, one overpair (QQ) and definitely some sets, why the **** is he shoving there?
 
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Lol well done. but him having AQ is why Id 4 bet a 10% 3 bet range, i know 70 hands isnt a big sample but still indicative of someone 3 betting fairly wide. The point of the 4 bet is to see where you stand. It makes post flop easier as you are getting more information and narrowing his range further.
Is he 5 betting AQ? I wouldnt Id take a flop. If he wants to see flop its more likely he doesnt have premium and then you can be happier calling all in on that flop knowing you are less likely to be beaten.
 
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Nah I made that mistake many times before. I see someone new seemingly spazzing out and then I get stacked, only to find out later that he is a nit who was on a good run of cards.
 
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If you are not 4 betting QQ are you only 4 betting for value with AA KK?
I would 4 bet this to balance the times im 4 bet bluffing.
You have to keep them guessing as to what you are 4 betting with do you not? Not just him but the other regs at the table who are watching and collating....
 
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I don't balance vs unknowns.

Also, I surely don't balance KK+ with QQ, that is just silly. If you really want to balance then Axs is a good type of hand.
 
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