$25 NLHE Full Ring: Interesting flopp...

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: Interesting flopp...

This was a interesting start o the session at this tbl. I know nothing about player A. He has been folding all hands since he sat down. My own tbl image was pretty tight...

My first game plan was to make a pfr first in and if I hit something nice - be aggressive.

The flop was really interesting... I think I'm in the lead here. Putting him on 2 over cards or a small pair up to maybe JJ. I'm a favorite against most those hands. He could have flopped a set of 6's or the nut str8, but what the heck:confused:, it didn't felt that way(some of u guys may have an opinion here :D)

Turn is a nightmare! Even though I'm getting a flush draw and st8 draws. What to do? Lets representing a nut str8, over pair or a set, and bet a pot size bet to protect my hand when there's a flush draw at the tbl - he calls... So he's floating me now... or slow playing the nuts...?

River blank
This was not a good bet. It screams missed something so I was lucky 2 win this one I feel in retrospect.

So, what do you guys/girls think... How should the hand been played?

I will comment your comments when and if they come! :smile:

$0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em -
Seat 1: A ($24.50)
Seat 2: x ($9)
Seat 3: x ($5)
Seat 4: x ($13.72)
Seat 5: x ($0), is sitting out
Seat 6: x ($5)
Seat 7: HERO ($25)
Seat 8: X ($10.07)
Seat 9: X ($4.65)
A posts the small blind of $0.10
x posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [4s 5s]

x folds
HERO raises to $0.75
x folds
x folds
A calls $0.65
x folds

*** FLOP *** [6s 4d 5h]
A checks
HERO bets $2
A calls $2

*** TURN *** [6s 4d 5h] [7s]
A checks
HERO bets $5.75
A calls $5.75

*** RIVER *** [6s 4d 5h 7s] [2h]
A checks
HERO bets $16.50, and is all in
A folds
 
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I think your own analysis is fine. Flop and turn bets are good but the river bet is basically never going to be called by worse and nothing better is folding. So just check behind on the river.
 
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Am I the only one who checks back the turn here?
 
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^^^Nit^^^. :)

If you do check back the turn, are you betting if checked to on the river?

There is 2 streets of value here imo, so betting the turn and checking back river is how I would play it against all but the most aggressive opponents. If he shoves over us on the turn we fold.
 
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Me no likey river shove. Not that it screams missed something, screams I've got a hand. The most likely draws on the flop were either the 7 or 3. The river completed the 3, missed the 7, but the turn paired that one. He's got other one pair holdings as well that can call another bet.

I'd throw a third bet at it, but I'd size it where I thought a seven or six could look me up.
 
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when you look at it from this angle a value bet on the river does look better.
 
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^^^Nit^^^. :)

If you do check back the turn, are you betting if checked to on the river?

There is 2 streets of value here imo, so betting the turn and checking back river is how I would play it against all but the most aggressive opponents. If he shoves over us on the turn we fold.

I agree theres two streets of value but i can't see much we beat calling us on the turn.
If the guys a station I bet turn.
If the guys unknown I bet river.

I think there alot more value to be had on the river as we'll get crying calls from lone pairs. On the turn the aint really any draws left other than 99 and the rare as **** flush draws whilst were alot more likely to fold out the pairs.
 
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This was a interesting start o the session at this tbl. I know nothing about player A. He has been folding all hands since he sat down. My own tbl image was pretty tight...

My first game plan was to make a pfr first in and if I hit something nice - be aggressive.

The flop was really interesting... I think I'm in the lead here. Putting him on 2 over cards or a small pair up to maybe JJ. I'm a favorite against most those hands. He could have flopped a set of 6's or the nut str8, but what the heck:confused:, it didn't felt that way(some of u guys may have an opinion here :D)

Turn is a nightmare! Even though I'm getting a flush draw and st8 draws. What to do? Lets representing a nut str8, over pair or a set, and bet a pot size bet to protect my hand when there's a flush draw at the tbl - he calls... So he's floating me now... or slow playing the nuts...?

River blank
This was not a good bet. It screams missed something so I was lucky 2 win this one I feel in retrospect.

So, what do you guys/girls think... How should the hand been played?

I will comment your comments when and if they come! :smile:
$0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em -
Seat 1: A ($24.50)
Seat 2: x ($9)
Seat 3: x ($5)
Seat 4: x ($13.72)
Seat 5: x ($0), is sitting out
Seat 6: x ($5)
Seat 7: HERO ($25)
Seat 8: X ($10.07)
Seat 9: X ($4.65)
A posts the small blind of $0.10
x posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [4s 5s]

x folds
HERO raises to $0.75
x folds
x folds
A calls $0.65
x folds

*** FLOP *** [6s 4d 5h]
A checks
HERO bets $2
A calls $2

*** TURN *** [6s 4d 5h] 7♠
A checks
HERO bets $5.75
A calls $5.75

*** RIVER *** [6s 4d 5h 7s] 2♥
A checks
HERO bets $16.50, and is all in
A folds

Interesting to read your ideas.

I can now reveal that he did end up in a similar situation some ten hands down the road.

CU-3 raises first in, and my player A was at the button, calling the pfr instantly.
Flop came: 78s9. The pfr made his cb and my mate instant called. Turn was a K and no flush was made. The pfr fired a 2'nd bullet and my mate hesitated just a short while b4 he made a rr. The pfr folded.

So, what to think...
Preflop
I believe that he called my pfr with suited overcards. Say AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ or even Ax. He's out of position but I believe he puts me on a small/middle pair. And if any highcard comes, he just check calls to the river or he rr me to make me fold my little pair.
Flop
Not a good flop for him. But not disastrous. Maybe he can float me or if an overcard comes I'll back off. I might just fire the 2'nd bullet empty. I might have the nuts here but he gambles(?) and calls my potbet.
Turn
The 7 of spade gave him hope... What else then a flush draw could justify a call? If he made his hand on the flop a check raise here on turn is a must, right? The seven could have given him 77, with a A kicker...
River
A blank river kills him and my potbet made him fold...
My betting actions on the flop and the turn is more or less okay I think. So What should I have done on the river? What is EV+?
Him having
overcards: Maybe he calls 1 in 20 hands against a loose player were the bet isn't more then $1-2. That is EV+ for him(more or less).
Him having
overpair: If I would've made it a $3-4 bet. He might have called since the potodds give him a decent return of his investment.
Him having me beaten
set, str8 or higher 2-pair: I dont think I'm the winner here in more then say 60-65% of the situations(could be high, anyone good at the math, plz clarify), so betting the pot is just dumb and stupid. Because I will only get called by a winning hand.
So, I believe I should've shoved in something like $3-4. That must be a better EV...

What Do you guys thing?
If anyone could back up your arguments with some math I would love it!
Cheers
Unnulv
 
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I agree with the turn bet, if only because a scare card on river will stop all action. As it played out, I would have tried small value bet on river also...
 
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