$25 NLHE Full Ring: Flopped top 2 pair, turned 2nd boat

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: Flopped top 2 pair, turned 2nd boat

full tilt poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 701185
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SB: $27.02
BB: $10.00
UTG: $25.89
UTG+1: $10.10
UTG+2: $95.19
Hero (MP1): $53.08
MP2: $12.00
CO: $25.00
BTN: $12.45

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP1 with A :heart: K :club:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO raises to $2.60, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.85

Flop: ($5.55) A :club: 6 :club: K :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($11.55) K :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $9, CO calls $5

River: ($29.55) 3 :club: (2 players)
Hero ??????
 
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Reads/stats on villain?

Dont really like calling a 3bet OOP with any hand, especialy a strong hand like AK that is still gonna miss alot of flops.
I much rather 4bet or fold prf depending on villain and table dynamics.

On the flop I think I c/r. It hits villains range and I think its one of the best ways to get value.
It also allows us to take control of the betting and makes it easier to get stacks in. It also sucks alot when flop goes c/c and we check the turn and villain checks back.

As for river, just jamm.
1.Villain has less then pot size bet left
2. Flush got there and even there isnt alot of flush combos in his range there are still some.
3. We are beat by exactly ONE combo of hands(AdAs).
4. Villain hasnt shown any signs of wanting to fold so get the max out of him.
 
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thx guys. Shoved and he had AA
 
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You have the second nuts. There is exactly one combination you lose to (exactly AdAs), there are more hands that play the flop and turn that way. No brainer.
 
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THe biggest problem with this hand is preflop.

DO NOT CALL 3-bets OOP EVER

If his 3-bet range is around 10%+ consider 4 betting

If you dont feel comfortable 4-betting then fold.

There are a lot of villians I would instant fold AK to a 3-bet because their 3bet range is JJ+ Ak We dont beat that range and havent invested enough money to be pot committed.

If its a wider range 4 bet and then call a shove (although you are most likely behind when he shoves over a 4bet you will have 35% equity against a range of QQ+ AK so you should be pot committed with 100bb stacks) but if you dont think he folds at least 50% of the time to your 3bet then dont 4bet! We want a fold not a shove!
 
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I'm not a fan of the turn raise.

You have a FH .. you are never folding, but what do you put the villian on?

Personally I'd be thinking JJ+ AQ AK maybe AJ

When you raise there if he cant beat trip kings he cant call with hands like JJ and QQ.

Its also pretty hard for him to have a flush draw (asuming he is a tight 3better) because the A and K of clubs is on he board.

Its just very difficult for him to have much that can call that reraise.

When he calls it, the only hand you really beat is KQ.

Is KJ or KT in his 3-bet range?
Is he calling this with TT-QQ?
Does he call this with AJ or does he start putting you on ha hand like KQ KJ KT the kind of hand that people wont always fold preflop but wont 4bet either.

I just think when that second K appears and you re-raise you are narrowing his range to hands that beat (or equal) trip kings.

His turn bet looks so weak that I would think he is either giving up or somehow on a weak FD and trying to buy a cheap river.

(whats actually happening is he is correctly slowplaying .. this is one of the few times its correct, because with 3 aces and 2 kings accounted for its difficult for you to have much)

When the club comes I would be calling his shove. Without the club there isnt much that you beat that would get stacks in. AQ AJ I just dont see them playing for stacks on a KK board.
 
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One last comment than I'm finished.

Your difficulty on the river is basically do you check to induce or bet hoping for a call.

As is I would bet because if he had somehow got this far with a weak hand the flush is one more reason for him not to bet.

However if you switched seats and were in position, you cant make a mistake on the river, if he bets you raise, if he checks you bet, you dont have to second guess him.

If the river were not a club, could you bet here? This is one of the few times that the second nut FH really isnt that strong, we cant think he has PP, we cant expect missed draws to get overly bluffy, we cant expect TPGK to play for stacks, we cant put many kings in his range.

I would still bet, but its very marginal there isnt all that much you beat that calls.
 
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One last comment than I'm finished.

Your difficulty on the river is basically do you check to induce or bet hoping for a call.

As is I would bet because if he had somehow got this far with a weak hand the flush is one more reason for him not to bet.

However if you switched seats and were in position, you cant make a mistake on the river, if he bets you raise, if he checks you bet, you dont have to second guess him.

If the river were not a club, could you bet here? This is one of the few times that the second nut FH really isnt that strong, we cant think he has PP, we cant expect missed draws to get overly bluffy, we cant expect TPGK to play for stacks, we cant put many kings in his range.

I would still bet, but its very marginal there isnt all that much you beat that calls.


Thanks, very thorough analysis
 
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