$25 NLHE Full Ring: Flopped set, what do you think of my line?

$25 NL HE Full Ring: Flopped set, what do you think of my line?

full tilt poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 657541
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UTG+2: $36.32
Hero (MP1): $37.38
MP2: $26.55
CO: $71.23
BTN: $18.98
SB: $34.61
BB: $9.44
UTG: $29.71
UTG+1: $27.34

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP1 with 8 :club: 8 :heart:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.60) Q :diamond: 8 :diamond: K :heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $1.25, Hero raises to $2.76, CO folds, BTN calls $1.51

Turn: ($8.12) 4 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $3.24, BTN calls $3.24

River: ($14.60) 4 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BTN raises to $12.23 all in, Hero calls $10.23

What do you guys think of my line in this hand? I gave myself a little pat on the back for it. I thought I took a really optimal line.

Stop check/raising your sets tiny on drawy boards, jesus. This is like the second hand you've done this.

I think you actually took the most sub-optimal line ever, and I hate everything about it. I'd change something about what you did on every street.

Lead the flop for near pot, bet more on the turn, shove the river.

I understand your being proud of the way you played this hand. Anytime a trap ends up succesfull it is a moment for us all to say ha! and look at ourselves in the brightest of lights. Then when our traps end up throwing a 10d on the turn, we call ourselves unlucky.

I agree with the posters above, this is a veery drawy board, it would be silly to risk a check down and give them a free card. How many cards here could lead to possible straights/flushes? Any diamond so that gives 9 outs, any non diamond 10, J, 9, A, so all together that's 21 outs. 42% chance one of those cards hit, and maybe they don't hit anyone, but they do pose a threat now. As they said above lead out on the flop, and the turn bet should be greater. Don't put yourself in a position to get "unlucky" next time.

Douggyfr3sh said:

What do you guys think of my line in this hand? I gave myself a little pat on the back for it. I thought I took a really optimal line.

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That is not an optimal line.

If you had not rivered a FH would you feel comfortable calling a shove here with a flush on?

Your bet sizing is atrocious and I hate the flop c/r. The only thing I like about the hand is that you raised pre. This line is definitely not optimal

Thanks guys. I really appreciate the input. In hindsight I think what happened was a 150ish hand run of non-playable cards, and then 8's. When I got lucky on the river I just thought I played the hand well. And to the original responder, next time i c/r a drawy flop with a set I will staple my hand.

Lol. Well you can check raise drawy flops when the situation calls for it, the trick is that you were the preflop raiser. And because you were the preflop raiser:

A) Your range contains lots of K's and Q's, and thus people won't bet with their suited connectors, or 77 type hands when you check to them.

B) Giving a free card here to a hand like 9T and having him bink a Jack would be pretty horrible, and a great way to get stacked.

C) Worse yet, when you check/raised, you made it very small, and therefore your opponent is not making a mistake when he calls with any sort of draw. Even a gutshot draw like AT would likely be correct to call your flop raise.

D) Your opponents called you preflop in position. The type of hands that call in position are small pairs, suited connectors, and weaker broadway hands (QJ/ATs/ect.) Those hands don't hit this board very hard, and you might not get a bet very often when you try to trap them.

E) Your opponents expect you to continuation bet this flop with almost all your hands. Thus, when you c-bet, your opponents will call with AQ or other weak hands because you're often just betting worse junk. Or they'll raise hands like AK, because that's actually a semi-strong hand on this board.

But when you check/raise, you are almost never bluffing, and your hand range is very strong! So if you were the CO, and you have AQ, you'd likely call a c-bet on the flop, but you are certainly folding when there's a bet & a check/raise in front of you. And if I was the button, I might fold AK to your check/raise, but if you just c-bet, I might raise the flop and commit myself.

In conclusion, its not just that the board was drawy. It was a huge combination of factors that made check/raising just a really really bad line here.

I think you played this pretty much as bad as you could have. Expect raising preflop. If you take c9 advice it will improve your game. If I told you how to play it, it would be copying c9. That's the optimal line. But we all play a hand badly but you would have learnt from this mistakesss

Bet much stronger on turn to fold his flushdraw.

What C9 said is correct. As PFR you should pretty much be betting almost your whole range on this flop, and callers pretty much know this. C-R on this board is like omfglolstrong. Your hand is so strong you certainly want action with it, but a thinking player is going to fold a lot of Kx/Qx type hands and only continue with hands that can outdraw you (OESD/FDs).

I'm sad. I looked at this and was all psyched because I knew exactly what to say all day about this one. And then c9 said it. Jerk. I like the hand staple idea, but look at a picture of boobs whenever you take c9's line, positive reinforcement is a good thing too.

IveGot0uts said:

I'm sad. I looked at this and was all psyched because I knew exactly what to say all day about this one. And then c9 said it. Jerk. I like the hand staple idea, but look at a picture of boobs whenever you take c9's line, positive reinforcement is a good thing too.

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hahaha thanks for the info

I'm going to reply without reading the above posts so I won't get influenced, apologies if I repeat anything.

I think your line here is criminal, and patting yourself on the back for it even more so because it means you'll do it again later.

You check this on a really wet board, 2 diamonds, straight draws, Q and K and a 3-way pot. You are asking to get beaten. Only do this when someone behind you is a maniac going crazy when people check.

There is no reason for checking this flop as more often than not you're getting called, by both players often enough. And you want to charge them for drawing to their straights, flushes or holding TP. And your cbet is likely to get raised by someone holding a K as well.

Turn - really really small bet size, you're giving him insane odds to chase the flush or straight, when you'd get the same calls betting $6 probably committing him.

I think you only got paid because BTN made his flush which very lucky for you completed your boat as well. How often will that happen?

ljove said:

Bet much stronger on turn to fold his flushdraw.

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I'm not being mean here, but it's about the 5th bad advice I've seen from you today.

Why would he want to fold his flush draw? You don't want people to pay you when they are drawing without the right odds? You just go all in to fold them and win small pots?

c9h13no3 said:

I'd change something about what you did on every street.

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Preflop looks fine to me.