$25 NLHE Full Ring: Flop Bottom Set

$25 NL HE Full Ring: Flop Bottom Set

Jesus here's the skinny because I can't export the bodog hand for crap.

.10c/.25c $25NL

Preflop:

UTG-Villian: Limp In
I'm dealt 5s 5c I limp in from UTG+1
Fold
Fold
Fold
Fold
D:Call
SB:Call
BB:Check


Flop: 5d 6c 10d

SB: Check
BB: Check
UTG-V: Raise $1
I min raise to $2
Button: Fold
SB: Fold
BB: Fold
Villan Calls $1

Turn: Kh

Villan Checks
I raise 1/2 pot $2.50
Villan Reraises to $7

I'm pretty sure my bottom set is gold here. But I want to get the most value out of this as possible without being drawn out on. Any advice what to do here?

So you don't want to be drawn out on now but getting outdrawn on the turn would've been fine?? Was the flop min-raise a misclick or something??

Slowplaying there sucks, specially as you limped pf and let everyone behind you come in with all sorts for free.

I either raise or fold pf, but thats cuz i don't like limping in ep, if i'm coming in from the first 3 positions i'm def coming in raising and having the initiative, otherwise your just gonna be limp-calling a lot pf and subsequently c/f'ing a lot on the flop..... basically being isolated til the cows come home. Seriously, i'm not saying you do it all the time and your a fish, but people who play like the hero in this hand are a cash game players bread and butter, they're def a nice chunk of my winnings anyways, and you being a 25nl player they should be a decent source of yours right??

As played pretty much any raise you make here commits you anyways wouldnt it?? so it wouldnt really matter if another club came on the turn b/c you'd have well over half your stack in

On that note, stack sizes?? If its 200bb+ then i don't play that deep so wouldnt have a clue lol

Assuming effective stacks are 100bb, pot is now $14.75, Villain has $15.75 behind, I shove hoping he already feels committed.

Flop raise should be a bit bigger to make the turn and river play easier, even making the flop raise $2.50 makes the pot about $6 on the turn w $22 behind. Betting $5 or more on the turn and getting raised makes the shove a snap.

The fact Villain calls the flop raise also makes me want to make the turn betsize bigger, at least 2/3psb. Again, makes it easier to get it in w 100bb's effective.

All this changes if effective stacks are 200bb's as orange says.

Thanks for the input to ruin the outcome I reraised him to $14.75 when he reraised me and he folded. :-(

slycbnew said:

Assuming effective stacks are 100bb, pot is now $14.75, Villain has $15.75 behind, I shove hoping he already feels committed.

Flop raise should be a bit bigger to make the turn and river play easier, even making the flop raise $2.50 makes the pot about $6 on the turn w $22 behind. Betting $5 or more on the turn and getting raised makes the shove a snap.

The fact Villain calls the flop raise also makes me want to make the turn betsize bigger, at least 2/3psb. Again, makes it easier to get it in w 100bb's effective.

All this changes if effective stacks are 200bb's as orange says.

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I think the foresight to determine what you want to do is important.

If you flop a set, how do you plan to make your money? The most important thing I fee is that your villan has a hand. If they don't, then you won't get paid. So, unless they are super aggro, you have to bet into them. You want the flop bet to be such that it makes sense to build the pot. Maybe psb on flop, 3/4 on turn and shove river? Something like that. Would be easier if I saw the stacks. But my understanding is you want the river bet to force the villan to call based on at least pot odds.

Thoughts?

How are you going to get drawn out on? You seem gold, Villian is confident. Is he has KK or 66 there's nothing you can do about it. Even the pro's would call, no one can lay down a set over set (this happens so rarely as well) and I would be confident that you have the better hand. Re-raising him was fine, I guess you could have also called and re-raised whatever he put out, really, in this scenario you're not going to get outdrawn. These situations make me love poker....or hate it if its set over set.

Sean Pilgrim said:

Jesus here's the skinny because I can't export the bodog hand for crap.

.10c/.25c $25NL

Preflop:

UTG-Villian: Limp In
I'm dealt 5s 5c I limp in from UTG+1
Fold
Fold
Fold
Fold
D:Call
SB:Call
BB:Check


Flop: 5d 6c 10d

SB: Check
BB: Check
UTG-V: Raise $1
I min raise to $2
Button: Fold
SB: Fold
BB: Fold
Villan Calls $1

Turn: Kh

Villan Checks
I raise 1/2 pot $2.50
Villan Reraises to $7

I'm pretty sure my bottom set is gold here. But I want to get the most value out of this as possible without being drawn out on. Any advice what to do here?

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thanks for the skinny. Your bottom set is definetly golden, all that you have to be awae of is the chance of being outdrawn. If i were you, i would have made him think he was in control called, and then check-raised him on the turn.

isaac said:

thanks for the skinny. Your bottom set is definetly golden, all that you have to be awae of is the chance of being outdrawn. If i were you, i would have made him think he was in control called, and then check-raised him on the turn.

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bad thing you cant check-raise people when being in position...
i dont like the min-raise.. you wanna build the pot and charge him if hes drawing.. if he's calling the min-raise he s also calling a raise to lets say around 3-3.50.. then pot is bigger and accordingly is your turn bet.... makes the shove a no brainer..

Pokerstudent said:

I think the foresight to determine what you want to do is important.

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This is actually a key step in the development of good/experienced poker players. You actually want to have a loose general plan for how to play the hand through all streets while you're preflop, revise your plan on the flop, revise on the turn, etc. - newer players tend to figure out what they're going to do street by street.

For example, you're btn and utg opens for 3.5xbb, holding 98s. Is there any point in calling here? Depends on utg, right? You may decide that since utg never calls 3bets, and only 4bets 3% of the time, that a 3bet is good - no need for postflop play. You may decide he's too tricky to deal with postflop and simply fold. But let's say that utg is a terrible postflop player and can be knocked off hands easily postflop, and you decide there's more value in flatting on the btn. What's our plan when we flat? Two general scenarios spring to mind - first involves a favorable board and the second involves an unfavorable but dry board (float and see how aggressive utg is on the turn). Flop comes down one way or the other, and you'll revise that initial plan one way or the other, revise again on the turn, etc.

At any rate, you're right, this is a key idea.

All in. IMO, Villian has called with the FD, spikes top pair and now feels they're good.

FYI, I havent read thread other than OP so not sure if all has been revealed.