$25 NLHE Full Ring: float IP in a 3 bet pot, bet turn, continue on the river?

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I wish I could play good poker :(

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 17/15/44

pokerstars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

UTG+1: $25.35
MP: $19.37
MP+1: $25.35
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $26.15
SB: $25.10
BB: $25.00
UTG: $25.02

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Jd Ah

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, BB raises to $2.35, Hero calls $1.60

Flop: ($4.80, 2 players) 3s 5c Qs
BB bets $2.79, Hero calls $2.79

Turn: ($10.38, 2 players) 4d
BB checks, Hero bets $7.25, BB calls $7.25

River: ($24.88, 2 players) Qc
BB checks, Hero ??

villains got a 3B of 7 and a 3BST of 19.

been 3 betting me quite regularly (assuming my fold to 3 bet's quite high) and his range is even wider here since we're in the CO.

I didn't think he'd slow down with a Q on the turn, but when he c/c he can have a lot of pairs (obv not giving him credit for a 5 or 3 in a 3 bet pot).

we have 12.61 on the river.. can we jam it here and get folds from his non Q hands often enough?

I know the range we're repping is very thin, but I'd take this same line with a Q.
 
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Why would we want to fold busted FDs when we're most likely beating those hands?
 
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I know, I'm a donkey.. just struggling to cope with the increased preflop aggression from the regs here for some reason.

if they're polarized aren't we supposed to flat IP more? might be adjusting badly, I dunno.

and by FD's I mean't AKs, I didn't think he had any but that might've been because of the SD.
 
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So you want to bet river to try and fold out only one fd out of the many he could have? Im trying to get at that you might be bluffing the rivet with the best hand
 
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So you want to bet river to try and fold out only one fd out of the many he could have? Im trying to get at that you might be bluffing the rivet with the best hand

yeah now I think about it it makes no sense about the FD's..

so if his range was weighted towards pairs is he ever folding them?

I'll edit it now.
 
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Calling the $2 bet on the flop and the $7 bet on the turn was your mistake. Why call bets with ace-high?
 
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I doubt he has small pairs. If he's competent, I don't see why he'd c/c turn against you(a reg with a high f3bet)
 
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..why call bets with A high?

because he's slowing down on a ****load of turns and I can take it away IP.

the point of the flop call was to bet the turn..

the call pre was a mistake granted.

gomez, what range do you think he's doing this with then?

i'm not assuming he has small pairs, more like 88-JJ.
 
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The root of your issue here is that you've just moved up and you *think* people are being super aggro. They're really not. That's why you fold to these 3bets preflop. 17/15 FR players aren't 3betting you with a range that AJ does well against postflop. They're just not. Fold to the 3bet and save yourself a ton of money.
 
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I think he might have you beat with random Qs but there could be a lot of crap like FDs in his range. I don't think 88-TT would call a turn bet if he's thinking, maybe JJ would
 
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I like it as played but never bluff this river. Villains played this like a weak queen or maybe TT/JJ. The river strengthens all these hands.
 
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The root of your issue here is that you've just moved up and you *think* people are being super aggro. They're really not. That's why you fold to these 3bets preflop. 17/15 FR players aren't 3betting you with a range that AJ does well against postflop. They're just not. Fold to the 3bet and save yourself a ton of money.
Yeah i've been watching coaching kristy series.And this is one point baluga keeps tring to hammer home over and over.
 
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Assuming we have convergence on villains 3bet steal/ 3bet stats the AJ flat seems pretty standard.
 
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Pretty big assumption.

I assume if OP has a questionable sample they would say so in their post or not include the stats.
I hold similar assumptions such as if no stats are included villain is an unknown.

Without these assumptions most my posts in these threads would consist of asking for stats :p
 
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Well ok
So instead of losing 3bb's in a steal att.
We called a 3bet with AJo
We are now thinking about putting in 100bb's on the river with A high after we got c/c on the turn.
 
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Fold to 3bet as said. Its a massive leak you can't just discount it.
 
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Fold to 3bet as said. Its a massive leak you can't just discount it.

I'm discounting it because this isn't a standard flat for me.

it was because the guys 3 betting range in that spot is so wide that I thought flatting IP with AJo might be ok as long as I float some of the time and just don't play fit or fold postflop.

apparently not.
 
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Filter your data base to when called 3bet ip and take out AA,KK,QQ
 
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it'll be skewed, only got 100k+ hands and they're in between 5nl - 25nl.
 
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