$25 NLHE Full Ring: extracting value oop on the river

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 53/9/4

Here we have an aggressive fish min raise and a decent regular just flats, we are in then BB and decide to call as there is a fish in the hand. I found myself in a spot on the river where I couldn't see what was best.

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $28.85 (115.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $29.53 (118.1 bb)
UTG+2: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
MP1: $26.02 (104.1 bb)
MP2: $42.71 (170.8 bb) 53/9/4 in 138 hands
MP3: $16.95 (67.8 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb) 15/12/3 in 412 hands
BTN: $35.61 (142.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6♥ 4♥
2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.50, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.60) 4♣ 4♠ Q♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.50, CO raises to $2, Hero calls $2, MP2 calls $1.50
I choose to call to see if the fish will hang around

Turn: ($7.60) 9♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $4.70, Hero calls $4.70, MP2 calls $4.70
Again I choose to call to see if the fish will hang around or raise

River: ($21.70) 3♥ (3 players)

A nice blank, I suspect the reg has a fairly strong Q as i'm sure he would have checked a draw behind on the turn so he will call a decent amount but will he bet if checked to?
So do we lead out and if so with what sizing? Or do we check looking to CR and give them room particularly the agg fish a chance to bluff? We have $22 left just over a pot sized bet.

1) Lead out on the 44Q board. You can't rely on the fish or the regular to c-bet, and it's hard to get the money in when it checks through.

2) Your reasoning on the flop after you check is fine. You don't want to face the fish with a huge raise.

3) For the same reason as the flop, you should be donking the turn. If you don't lead the turn, calling is fine.

4) You have a pot-sized bet behind on the river, and the CO could check back with Qx. I'd just shove the river. This would be an easier shove if you controlled the bet-sizing on the flop & turn as well.

Don't shove, don't bet more than half of their remaining stack. It's easier for them to call leaving themselves with some chips to play on rather than putting it all in.

Delvuter said:

Don't shove, don't bet more than half of their remaining stack. It's easier for them to call leaving themselves with some chips to play on rather than putting it all in.

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You think they call twice as often? Usually betsize doesn't affect their calling range that dramatically...

Framed another way: If you have Qx here, are you calling a half pot bet, but folding for full?

I bet $5 on the river, at the time I wanted to give the aggressive fish room and a chance to come over the top, but I think this is flawed thinking with the reg who has been betting behind him still to act.
In hindsight the fish has to think the guy still to act has a hand and is likely to call him down.
As it happened the fish folded, the reg called and turned over AQ, no doubt he would have called more so I lost some value here. I don't think AQ calls a shove on the paired board. The BB's range will include quite a few 4's .....34 45 A4s. In fact I don't think he calls more than a half pot bet, so probably $5 missed methinks.
Not sure about leading out on the flop here, I'm trying to put a donk lead range together at the moment but I don't think this is the right spot its a very polarising spot to lead out and there are aggressive players here who will take bluff shots if checked to without a Q

You said the fish has to think? what do fish not do... They don't think about other players they just look at their cards or just happy to be playing.

Agree on donking flop and turn, fish will call any size of bet just to see cards to hit their hands. the turn is a lovely blank and we're still likely miles ahead of a Q.

I think Shoving river is probably best too