$25 NLHE Full Ring: Extracting value with JJ

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: Extracting value with JJ

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: $22.72 (90.9 bb)
BTN: $10.25 (41 bb)
SB: $43.76 (175 bb)
BB: $33.31 (133.2 bb)
UTG+1: $9 (36 bb)
UTG+2: $48.15 (192.6 bb)
MP1: $24.40 (97.6 bb)
MP2: $7.32 (29.3 bb)
Hero (MP3): $38.75 (155 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with J:diamond: J:club:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50
Flop: ($2.35) A:spade: J:heart: A:heart: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, CO folds, BB calls $2


How would you play the flop to maximize profit?
 
slycbnew

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Same way. Some fd's, but more importantly any Ax, is calling there and may raise.
 
c9h13no3

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Same way. Some fd's, but more importantly any Ax, is calling there and may raise.
Plus KQ, QT, KJ, KT, and lots of pocket pairs like 66-TT, maybe QQ or KK that decided to slow play preflop (this happens more than you'd think, especially against fish). I might bet a bit smaller too, but that's really nit-picky.
 
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I might bet a bit smaller too, but that's really nit-picky.

I disagree with the smaller bet but like you said it is kinda nit-picky.

I know your probably thinking to give the gut-shots, OESD, and FDs a good price to come along since they are drawing dead (virtually). However, I think that Ax makes up enough of his range, and is willing to call a larger bet, that we get more value from this range by making a larger value bet.

For example say Ax makes up 35% of his range and that range is willing to call a pot sized bet, and draws make up the rest (65%) of his calling range and will call a half-pot sized bet. I think if you do the math that you make more profit by making the larger bet, even though you fold out that other 70%.

Frankly I am too lazy to go through all the hand combinations and actually count this out however. :)
 
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Ax is getting it in regardless. We could bet a nickel, we're almost always getting all the money in against an ace. Thus, if we bet $1.75, we may be more likely to get a gutshot to come along. Also, you ever wonder why they price items at the store like "$1.99" or "99 cents" instead of $2 or $1? Because you think its cheaper. If we bet $1.75 it will look like less than $2, even if its essentially the same.

The logic you're using applies more to when you're deciding between a raise and a call.

Plus, we'll want to c-bet smaller on this board when we have air, because c-betting this board works so well, and we want a better price on our bluff so its more +EV. Not that balance matters at 25NL.

But like I said, super nit-picky.
 
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Ax is getting it in regardless. We could bet a nickel, we're almost always getting all the money in against an ace. Thus, if we bet $1.75, we may be more likely to get a gutshot to come along. Also, you ever wonder why they price items at the store like "$1.99" or "99 cents" instead of $2 or $1? Because you think its cheaper. If we bet $1.75 it will look like less than $2, even if its essentially the same.

I've wondered about that a bit before, do you really think making weird bet sizes like 1.75, or maybe 1.69/1.99 depending on the pot size would have the psychological effect to make people more willing to call?

And if that's true, should you do it, since you're using the same bet sizing for cbets/bluffs otherwise it can become a tell
 
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Meh. Villain has AJ and you're drawing dead. Just check/fold, imo. :elefant:
 
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Ax is getting it in regardless. We could bet a nickel, we're almost always getting all the money in against an ace. Thus, if we bet $1.75, we may be more likely to get a gutshot to come along. Also, you ever wonder why they price items at the store like "$1.99" or "99 cents" instead of $2 or $1? Because you think its cheaper. If we bet $1.75 it will look like less than $2, even if its essentially the same.

The logic you're using applies more to when you're deciding between a raise and a call.

Plus, we'll want to c-bet smaller on this board when we have air, because c-betting this board works so well, and we want a better price on our bluff so its more +EV. Not that balance matters at 25NL.

But like I said, super nit-picky.

Its not a given that we're easily gonna get the money in Vs an ace in my experience. If we bet flop and bet big turn ace rag isn't always fist-pump raising. Therefore bet sizing is important for maximizing value imo.
 
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