$25 NLHE Full Ring: EP QQ vs late lag aggression, when to let it go

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Villain 1 is loose and loves to get involved in a lot of pots and take them down post flop, especially in position. this is my first hand with villain 2.

hero, UTG+1, 24.93
villain 1, CO, 30.45
Villain 2, BB, 25.00

Hero is dealt Qh Qd

fold, hero raises to 2BB, fold, fold fold, fold villain 1 raises to 6BB, fold, fold, villain 2 calls, hero raises to 20BB, villain 1 calls, villain 2 folds.

Pot:11.60
Flop Ad 8d 3h

hero raises half pot (23.2BB), villain raises and is all-in, hero folds.
 
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I think that on this board better is check/fold. This is very wet board so I think this is the best play especially if you do not know how this player play.
 
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initial raise size is too weak preflop. make it at least 3bb. as played, i don't mind a check/fold on this flop since the ace is going to hit a decent chunk of his 4bet calling range.
 
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Preflop is good,but like the guys said i would check/fold the flop
 
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Well you do have to fold here. You open from EP and show plenty of strength. The flop hits your perceived range and then he shoves anyway! He must have a decent Ace minimum to pull this off.
I`m undecided as to whether the cbet on the flop is right here. certainly it is right to cbet if you are going to be playing with this guy for a while, you have to keep him guessing as to whether the flop hit you or not. You can't just bet when you have something.
Here you 4 bet and really have to rep the ace, unless you have check raised him in the recent past.
Against a troublesome floater like this im not sure its right to bloat the pot preflop with QQ because of the problems created by exactly this type of flop. Id wait until there was a more favourable flop to get money in against this sort of villain.
Make it 3bb to start and then call his three bet and CR any flop without a A or K.
Where you happy to gii allin pre if he 5 bet shoves?
 
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4betting with the intention of folding to a 5bet is one of the worst plays you can make with QQ
 
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pro saying : " you only get in trouble when you are dealt a real hand"
"JJ the hardest hand to play and you get it very often wrong "
this is qq but still applies ,you need beside skill a lot of luck because you have only 2 cards to come and the chances of straight or flush -very low.
you with qq bet big,get called and flop with a k or ace is death to continue .
my opinion :p
 
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Check call flop unless his range is literally Ax everytime.
 
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initial raise size is too weak preflop. make it at least 3bb. as played, i don't mind a check/fold on this flop since the ace is going to hit a decent chunk of his 4bet calling range.

Yeah I don't like the min raise with QQ. Looks really weak. It is hard for me to tell where you stand preflop when you are min-raising QQ.
 
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Don't mind a fold here, well played actually - was pretty standard play c-betting flop i think especially if villain is an aggro. :)
 
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