$25 NLHE Full Ring: Do you keep betting?

tusabes

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 76/4.3/28.92

I've got this opponent noted as a weak/passive player. he'd been limp/calling and ch/folding a lot. Albeit less than 100 hands.
Do you keep betting? How much? What if he calls the turn how do you continue?

Full Tilt - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com
UTG: $35.87
UTG+1: $12.90
MP: $25.00
MP+1: $14.69
Hero (LP): $28.27
CO: $27.44
BTN: $28.68
SB: $27.05
BB: $25.00
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has As Qc
fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, BTN calls $1.00, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.75
Flop: ($3.35, 3 players) 4s 2d 2s
MP+1 check, Hero bets $3.00, BTN calls $3.00, fold
Turn: ($9.35, 2 players) 2h
 
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tons of PP's in his range that he's calling with on the flop and the 2 on the turn doesn't help us against that range as there still going to call with. I'm checking back the turn
 
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Bet MUCH smaller on the flop (~$1.75). No one is folding any pair on that flop so you either have the best hand OR they're calling. As played ch/fold turn.
 
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if it goes ch/ch on turn and J+ comes on the river should we be betting out?
 
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No. AQ will win often enough at SD if it checks through and he's never folding any pp on the river.
 
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Preflop and Flop action.
The villian is 76%vpip. Only about 27 hands he wouldn't play. His pfr 4.3% so I'm saying he would 3bet 99+, AKs, AKo...that's 8 more hands I can take from his range since he didn't 3bet.

That leaves him w/ just 6 pairs he could have. I'm not giving him pocket 2s b/c I will not put somebody on quads on a flop. Now there is about 30 more hands that have a 2 or 4 in them he may have played. All the rest of the hands in a 76%vpip range the hero is ahead of...about 95 hands.

The turn..2h Board 4s 2d 2s 2h
Why not bet? The Hero is ahead of 70 to 75% of the villain's 76%vpip range. Wouldn't the hero be losing money over time by not betting thus winning the pot or inducing another bad call? If this is the case, the more the hero can get the villain to call the better.
 
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tusabes said:
Why not bet? The Hero is ahead of 70 to 75% of the villain's 76%vpip range. Wouldn't the hero be losing money over time by not betting thus winning the pot or inducing another bad call? If this is the case, the more the hero can get the villain to call the better.
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B/C hes a huge station and you have air.
 
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Jagsti said:
B/C hes a huge station and you have air.
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If we agree the numbers in my prev. reply are accurate for 76%vpip then most of the time we both have air and our air is way better.

Because he's a station the correct play would be to extract chips whenever we are ahead. Why give calling stations a free card?
 
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tusabes said:
If we agree the numbers in my prev. reply are accurate for 76%vpip then most of the time we both have air and our air is way better.

Because he's a station the correct play would be to extract chips whenever we are ahead. Why give calling stations a free card?
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If this is your plan everytime you play a drooler like this then its going to cost you a lot of money indeed.

If you have some sort of a hand, then value betting 3 streets is standard, but putting pressure on droolers to fold is expensive. I don;t mind you doing this if you have notes on drooler that he will call flop fold turn, or calls flop/turn always folds river.
 
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He probably has spades/56/air. Facing no sort of aggression from this type of player I would bet all 3 streets for value until he puts up a fight. I see a lot of people like this at 2nl (so this may be bad advice for your limits). If he misses on the river he is laying it down... but then again I suck.
 
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tusabes said:
If we agree the numbers in my prev. reply are accurate for 76%vpip then most of the time we both have air and our air is way better.

Because he's a station the correct play would be to extract chips whenever we are ahead. Why give calling stations a free card?
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You have may well have the best hand. But how many streets will you bet it?

If you wont bet AQ unimproved for 3 streets of value and you know villian will peel with much of his range then you know now that you are going to have to give him a free card at some point. So why not give him a free card when the pot is small rather than a free card when the pot is bigger?

Being as AQ is ahead of his range and can be bet once for value, does it really matter when you bet it?
 
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HomeBrewer said:
He probably has spades/56/air. Facing no sort of aggression from this type of player I would bet all 3 streets for value until he puts up a fight. I see a lot of people like this at 2nl (so this may be bad advice for your limits). If he misses on the river he is laying it down... but then again I suck.
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I dont think it has enough value to bet for 3 streets.. 1 -2 at the most
 
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i don't even necessarily bet the flop. you'll still get plenty of value if you hit an A or Q, and you have the A:spade: and can turn the nfd as well
 
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vanquish said:
i don't even necessarily bet the flop. you'll still get plenty of value if you hit an A or Q, and you have the A♠ and can turn the nfd as well
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meh, it's a value bet. I agree though, ch back flop is fine, but I prefer just betting.
 
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ya thought this was HU, I'm fine with checking back but still usually cbet tbh.
 
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Stu_Ungar said:
tusabes said:
Why would you want him to fold when you have the best hand?
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Right. If I have the best I must bet and either get him to call and make more $. Otherwise we check it down he sees my cards (bad) and I win the same amount as if I bet and he folds.

So, I guess a more complete answer would be..until he folds or calls off all his money.
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WVHillbilly said:
Bet MUCH smaller on the flop (~$1.75). No one is folding any pair on that flop so you either have the best hand OR they're calling. As played ch/fold turn.
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I pretty much disagree with the bolded part. I think a 76 vpip continues with most of his range, which is going to be mostly overcards that we beat
 
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