$25 NLHE Full Ring: Bluff with QQ versus narrow 3-bettor

TheGodson

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I have $32.69 UTG with :qd4: :qs4:. I open for $0.75
Villain in HJ with $71.83, 3-bets the minimum to $1.25
SB calls
and I call

Flop($4) :jc4: :2h4: :2s4:
SB checks
I check
HJ bets $1
SB calls
I call

Turn($6.62) :jc4: :2h4: :2s4: :8d4:
SB checks
I check
HJ bets $1.66
SB folds
I call

River($9.75) :jc4: :2h4: :2s4: :8d4: :10s4:
I shove all-in for $28.78

Do you think AA or KK is folding enough for this to work?
 
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Interesting play!
I hate that min 3 bet...but you did give up the iniative easily to it .
Personally Im 4 betting...Im UTG Im supposed to be the one with the good hand. As im going to be oop its going to be a testing 4 bet as well. I'll cross the all in pre bridge if it happens.
As you played it the shove is very polarising to nuts or air. We are basically repping a set of jacks or tens maybe 888. I think he probably folds one pair hands. You better hope that's what he had and that he's not stubborn ....Its difficult to comment without knowing the player type and how much of a calling station he is...
Wouldnt full pot also get the job done to save some if you are wrong.
 
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if i had AA or KK, i'd call you. now if you only raised.... I'd have to think about it more. you haven't shown any aggression within the hand, and its unlikely a hand that would call a 3 bet would have a 2 (save pocket 2s perhaps) or would hit the straight draw.

That leaves monsters and sets for you to worry about.

Note HJ has been better 1/4 pots. Assuming this isn't just what he normally does, it lends to strength. 1/4 pots won't scare away anyone who has a decent hand.

So good chance you are beat. I would do the full pot bet if bluffing, but this isn't a hand where i would try it. the 3 bet at the beginning, thin though it was, narrowed everyone's range to the point that the wetness of this board isn't a factor. I find it tends to work better if he has to sweat thinking they you have a straight or a flush rather than worrying about a set. Sets are disguised, that's their advantage when you have them, but it makes them harder to represent in a bluff.

My 2 cents, but i'm still pretty bad.
 
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I'm fine with the flat pre at FR. The shove is super weird on the river... you could(?) get called by AJ I guess but its doubtful really. Just bet for value dude the other guy does not have AA or KK like almost 100% with his tiny bets on flop and turn
 
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His 3-bet range preflop was super tight, like KK+ for the most part. On the river he tank-called and flipped over AA. I'm thinking folding the turn was probably correct. Donking the pot on the river would probably not be enough to get him off, then again, the all-in on the river wasn't enough either. So yeah, not too happy about my shove. I think there are better spots for plays like this.

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas!
 
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@Figaroo:
Interesting read by the way.
 
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Shoving here is irrational. When your hand is weaker, you shall consider how to avoid losing less instead of bluffing the villain out.
 
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he made a good call cos nobody shoves 3x pot on river with a FH your all in looks very bluffy. also your hand has value so no need to turn it into a wacky bluff
 
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You're pretty much never getting AA/KK to fold at this level. And you might have the best hand so I'd prefer to just bet/fold about 5.5 on the river. It's not clear in your OP what you mean by narrow 3-bettor, but if it's ubber tight, you could consider c/fing the river as well.
 
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River($9.75) :jc4: :2h4: :2s4: :8d4: :10s4:
I shove all-in for $28.78

Do you think AA or KK is folding enough for this to work?

Not if the villain is a calling station it won't. The bet's made by villain are so small that it does look very weak and looks like he was bluffing or betting with a weaker hand all the way through because they were ridiculously small bets compared to the size of the pot.

However that does not warrant going all in on the river. You are not getting called by worse hands because villain already seemed pretty weak. There is a tiny chance that if villain has 2 queens beat he will most likely call us and we stand to lose all our chips in this case. So going all in was unnecessary and a mistake in my mind bcoz we are not achieving much by doing so. :)
 
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