$25 NLHE Full Ring: bluff lines at zoom vs capped ranges: for when you don't have the nuts

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$25 NLHE Full Ring: bluff lines at zoom vs capped ranges: for when you don't have the nuts

Hand 1: yeah my turn/river bet sizing sucks, I tend to bet smaller in general tbh vs regs for value and with air so I am balanced.. just don't think he folds his air to this sizing enough.

but whatever, its meh.

thought process: he knows that I know he never has a 9/5 OTR and most of his range is PP's and A high broadways. K on the turn smashes my range and possibly AK for him but thats about it. My river bet is a lot of Kx and JJ+ thin value hands.. vs his super weak range.

that make any sense? was thinking I might be a level too high with this..

poker stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2058022
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BTN: $11.90
SB: $11.14
BB: $12.50
UTG: $38.06
UTG+1: $29.47
UTG+2: $16.17
MP1: $31.73
Hero (MP2): $27.18
CO: $25.30

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP2 with 8 :spade: 7 :spade:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 5 :spade: 5 :club: 9 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1

Turn: ($3.85) K :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

River: ($7.85) 9 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50

Hand 2: his flop range is pretty much broadways/suited broadways, some suited connectors maybe if he's a reg and 99+ so this flop smashes some of him, I bet planning on tripling good runouts and not allowing him to pot control OOP.

this turn improves his range some but I turned a FD and sometimes my 4 is good too, checking back 6/4 rivers for pot control SD value. shoving spade rivers (obv) A rivers when checked to since on A rivers the only Qx hand he has is KQ/QQ/AQ..

his river range doesn't include any Ax imo apart from AQ, maybe AJ if he's super retarded. AK normally 4bets to compensate for being OOP but he has is sometimes/rarely..

I think my range here is polarised, but I never should have bluffs here and can shove 9x for value vs his range tbh.. so its kind of merged? don't know if he knows this though.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2058050
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Hero (BTN): $26.18
SB: $85.57
BB: $14.82
UTG: $18.58
UTG+1: $17.79
UTG+2: $28.22
MP1: $25.99
MP2: $12.50
CO: $15.23

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 4 :spade: 6 :spade:
3 folds, MP1 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, MP1 calls $1.25

Flop: ($4.35) 6 :heart: J :spade: T :diamond: (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $2.25, MP1 calls $2.25

Turn: ($8.85) K :spade: (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $5, MP1 calls $5

River: ($18.85) Q :heart: (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $16.93 all in
 
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Dont like hand 1, think we should should give up OTR.

Like hand 2 though
 
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i think his range is JJ- though and my range is pretty strong here, I have a few busted draws but most of it beats him so if I sizied it right I think he folds a lot here.
 
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dont like the river for hand 1, yeh bet bigger too

really dont like hand 2, board smashes his range you have very little equity i'd rather just give up on this one and be happy the rare time board bricks off and you beat AK

K.I.S.S
 
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we don't beat AK in hand 2.. and rivers a brick for hand 1?

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One hand per thread to avoid confusion.

Maybe it's because I've only just woken up like an hour ago, but your thought process is way too scattered and overly complex for 25nl. Obviously there are times for bluffs, but %95 of your goal at 25nl should be for value betting. Not 3betting suited crap one gappers and going for three barrel bluffs for stacks.

Hand 1: stop leveling yourself at 25nl. He has a pocket pair most of the time and won't fold to your half pot bets. The King does not 'smash' your range. You opened from the HJ, your range should be pretty wide, and you're going to be bluffing this turn a ton.

Saying you're betting small vs regs is way too general a statement to mean anything. Your bet sizes should vary depending on the texture of the board and all those other million factors. After I cbet this flop I'm betting much larger on the turn/river when I have TT+/Kx/9x for value, and I'm doing the same with my bluffs and semibluffs. Betting small makes little sense to me.

Capped ranges are still obviously a factor at 25nl. That said, if he's not thinking about your range [uncapped] vs his range [capped], and rather just thinks "I have a pair and he's bluffing lots here", what does it matter if his range is capped at hand X? Even so, he's capped at like TT here, maybe JJ? Does that ever fold?

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Hand 2: Reads or stats on villain? You're giving us a bunch of hand ranges for him but we have no idea how to dispute that without any info other than what you believe to be true.

Vs most typical 25nl regs, his pf range is like TT+ (QQ+ discounted) and better suited broadways (AK significantly discounted). That kind of range smashes this board, and I'm not going to be barreling that turn very often at all. I'm actually not going to be cbetting at all unless I think he's bad enough to call a 3bet OOP with a ton of suited connectors and a much wider range of pairs.

Hand 2: his flop range is pretty much broadways/suited broadways, some suited connectors maybe if he's a reg and 99+ so this flop smashes some of him, I bet planning on tripling good runouts and not allowing him to pot control OOP.

this turn improves his range some but I turned a FD and sometimes my 4 is good too, checking back 6/4 rivers for pot control SD value. shoving spade rivers (obv) A rivers when checked to since on A rivers the only Qx hand he has is KQ/QQ/AQ..

his river range doesn't include any Ax imo apart from AQ, maybe AJ if he's super retarded. AK normally 4bets to compensate for being OOP but he has is sometimes/rarely..

I think my range here is polarised, but I never should have bluffs here and can shove 9x for value vs his range tbh.. so its kind of merged? don't know if he knows this though.

Your info here:

  • His 'flop range' is 99+, broadways, maybe SCs. Flop smashes him, and you want to triple barrel.
[99 folds flop, broadways are JT,JQ,JK,AJ,AQ,KQ,KT,QT, discounted given PF action to maybe KQ+,QJs+,AJ. What part of a range of 99+,QJs+,KQ+,AJ+, 'maybe' SCs folds flop?]
  • Turn improves his range, but you turned a FD
["Improved" is an understatement. All his pairs now turned either 2 pair or a draw to go with them, and his AQ/KQ part of his range now turned a non-foldable hand. AJ is now a bit scared, but hey, "I flopped TPTK, I'm not folding".]
  • You think you can shove 9x for value vs his range
[You're trying to bluff him off of 2pair hands on the river with your 64s, but you can shove 9x for value? What's calling that gives us value? 2pair hands.]

K.I.S.S. indeed man. Stop trying to bluff people who call 3bets OOP by repping like 2 hands vs a range of 2pair/straights.
 
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