$25 NLHE Full Ring: bluff line, solid or spewy?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 24/19/65

pokerstars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP+1: $18.57
LP: $25.35
CO: $27.11
BTN: $33.91
SB: $49.61
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $23.45
UTG+1: $43.44
MP: $25.00

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 5d 4d

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.25, LP raises to $1.10, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.25, fold, LP calls $2.15

Flop: ($6.85, 2 players) 9d 4c Ts
Hero bets $3.75, LP calls $3.75

Turn: ($14.35, 2 players) 6s
Hero checks, LP bets $5.75, Hero raises to $18.00 and is all-in, LP calls $12.25

River: ($50.35, 2 players) Kc

Hero shows 5d 4d (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 19%, Flop 22%, Turn 0%)
LP shows 6h 6d (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 81%, Flop 78%, Turn 100%)
LP wins $48.35

villain is a bad reg imo, only about 350 hands on him.

decided to 3 bet pre because I figured he'd be isoing pretty wide in that spot, not too happy about my hand but figured I'd get a bunch of folds or 4 bets and he'd fold to cbets on the flop.

I'm a 13/10 last time I checked on stars so I thought my 3 bet would get more respect here..

I thought he'd float the flop a lot since my range has a lot of AK/AQ in it, but the bet on the turn confused me.

is the jam here bad? that bet screamed jam over me I have the nuts to me at first (results oriented), but if he's calling 3 bets this wide and floating the flop with any pair (if he can float with any pair then he can float with air + draws + weak made hands imo) then his range should have hands in this spot that have to fold to my shove, since then my range is pretty much all over pairs, AKs/AQs and random draws from time to time if he thinks me capable of doing this light..

so yeah, spewy or not.. and why.

Guys with laggy, very aggressive stats typicaly don't fold to a lot of 3-bets. What's villain's F3B? I bet its like 50%.

Secondly, that's not a great flop to get crazy on. Its pretty wet and draw heavy. Kinda a cooler that he showed up with 66, but I don't think you're getting a ton of folds anyways.

Bottom line here, is I just don't like your entire plan for the hand. Guys with laggy stats have this mindset: I can play a ton of hands preflop because I will outplay people postflop. That typically means they aren't good bluff targets, since they think they can continue against your bluffs and beat you later. Against these guys, just play tight, and pound them into submission. Make them pay for their tendency to call light by making them call bigger 3-bets against your range that has very few bluffs in it.

oh his F3B% was like 90%, I checked that stat pre.

me trying to level, I figured it was spewy as well its just super unlikely he has a hand he's happy stacking here except TT/99 etc.

but yeah, thanks!

lol bluffaments..

Campbell92 said:

oh his F3B% was like 90%, I checked that stat pre

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Wow, that's pretty rare. Although, keep in mind he'll be calling a little more since he's IP. But still, 90% looks like a great target.

Have you been 3-betting against him a lot? LAGs often feel like they have to play back more since you're targeting their wide opens often. So as the session goes on, you want to bluff less. If you had been hammering on him, I'd rather see you fold pre.

I've been gone for like a month from online games and haven't played with him too often pre I don't think.

78% fold to 3 bet, not 90.. just had a 2nd look since it looked wrong to me as well.

still, 80% and he flats with 66 vs a nit, really?!

and if he thinks I'm wide I prefer 4 betting as a bluff as compared to flatting and floating a flop with 2 overs..

Seems spewy. Pre-flop, you're putting $3 more into a pot that holds $1.70 which gives him better than 2:1 pot odds, in position, with that you know (although he doesn't) is ahead.

It's fine that he folds to c-bets a lot, but putting yourself in a position where you more or less have to c-bet, which also builds a sizable pot, doesn't seem like a better strategy than simply allowing someone who's a bad reg to find other hands where the situations are better for you and/or where he'll decide to beat himself.

Campbell92 said:

and if he thinks I'm wide I prefer 4 betting as a bluff as compared to flatting and floating a flop with 2 overs..

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You're at 25nl, the regs suck.
Also, consider that he raises way more hands than a full ring TAG, so his 22% continuing range will be larger, since his original raising range is larger.

But yeah, thats why everyone advocates straightforward play. At this level, everyone is a fish.

ok, its agreed..

spewy.

AJ/C9, do you prefer this in position or are we just letting this hand go..

I don't normally do this, but letting regs just iso wide and not 3 betting them when they are going to fold a lot is leaving money on the table imo.

swear I remember WV in a thread ages ago talking about it.

Despite his high F3B stat I'd need either position or a stronger hand (QT/KJ etc) before 3betting here.

*54 will play horribly OOP in a 3bet pot.
*Villains isos of fish from the HJ may not be that wide.
*The fish may call and also has position on us.


As played I make the 3bet bigger to $3.90.
What are villains FCB stats?

Seeing as you think villain will float I assume your plan was to bet the flop and check/call the turn? (If you didn't have a plan start making them before betting). I don't like this at all unless we know whether villain is capable of barreling the river. That and our hand is too weak for this and villains range is stronger than normal given his high F3B.

Given his high F3B I check/fold if I think he's capable of double barrelling and check/call if he isn't. If I'm not sure I probably check/fold, playing bottom pair in 3bet pots OOP vs unknowns sucks hence why we fold pre.

Oh ye and if his FCB is high I obviusly c-bet.