$25 NLHE Full Ring: Big Raise VS 3 Kings

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: Big Raise VS 3 Kings

$25 NLHE FR on bodog

Table: Tight/Passive... It's been folded to the blinds a few times and I'm thinking about leaving. No one wants to play until some one raises and they'll get 2-3 callers.

Me: Haven't been at the table long... I've raised pre-flop a couple of times and had to give up on the flop.

Villain: I've noticed him raising from LP quite a few times... haven't seen him show anything down.

Pre-flop- I'm ($23.90) in the BB w/ KQo. MP limps, CO ($33.75) raises to $1.10, I call, MP folds, and we go to the flop.

Flop- ($2.55) 3TKr

I bet $1.85 and CO calls.

Turn- ($6.25) K [3TKK]

I check, CO bets $1.00, and I call?

River ($8.35) 5 [3TKK5]

I bet $4.25, CO raises to $26.30

I have $15.35 left...

Now what???
 
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33, TT, KT, AK are the only hands that beat you here. Ignoring K3 and K5.

KQ is a split. KJ, maybe K9 you have beat. There's also the chance that he's played something completely stupidly, QQ/JJ, wont show up often but I'm not ruling it out.

I think you're behind here at least half of the time but $15 into a $28 pot is a price I'd call.
 
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Wtf, stop butchering this hand.

1) You may opt to 3-bet preflop if villain is like most 25NL players and calls too many 3-bets.

2) Wtf, don't donk the flop, villain will c-bet this board with 125% of his range.

3) The rest of the hand is just a train wreck. You take a line that neither builds a big pot (check/calling the turn) or lets him bluff (donking the river). Is the bet on the river a blocking bet?

Your entire line is just super logically inconsistent, and preflop is the only part of the hand that I think you played right (maybe). My preferred line would be to check/call this flop for starters, since you're going to get a c-bet a ton of times here. What I do on the turn really depends on his aggression stats and just how fishy this guy is, but I'd probably donk the turn for close to pot because no one folds a ten or QJ on this board, but fish might check those behind.
 
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c9- lol, I did f this whole hand up...

Thanks for the input, your advice will be put to good use.

Not sure about 3betting pre w/ KQo though. Don't I just wind up playing a raised, multi-way pot, OOP, w/ K high too often?
 
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c9- lol, I did f this whole hand up...

Thanks for the input, your advice will be put to good use.

Not sure about 3betting pre w/ KQo though. Don't I just wind up playing a raised, multi-way pot, OOP, w/ K high too often?
Yeah that happens, but if your opponent is calling 3-bets with 22/JTs/ect. then that's going to be offset by the fact that he is going to be playing a big pot with hands that don't hit very often. He'll have to fold to a lot of c-bets, and will have to pay you off with dominated/second pairs.

Calling preflop is totally fine, and its my preferred line if spewing postflop is one of MP's hobbies. But if villain had like a 15%+ PFR with a high steal %, folded to very few 3-bets, and folds to c-bets fairly well, I think 3-betting this hand is an option.
 
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]But if villain had like a 15%+ PFR with a high steal %, folded to very few 3-bets, and folds to c-bets fairly well, I think 3-betting this hand is an option.

If he folds to few 3-bets and has position on me, I definitely don't want to 3-bet him. And I'm not sure KQo has equity over a 15% PFR guy, but I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment. I'm sure it's close enough that positional differences will negate any equity advantage.

I agree with the rest of C9's analysis except I'm check/raising this flop every day of the week. Villain's almost certainly going to pay to play with AT, JT, QT, QJ, and maybe even AJ and AQ, so I'm going to give him that opportunity.

I'll bet again on the turn, obviously, and if I get raised I'll probably try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

Mostly I agree that your play throughout the hand signified a lack of any cohesive plan. You either want to keep the pot small or you don't. You want to induce bluffs or you don't. I haven't a clue what you were trying to accomplish the with line you chose, but that's why we post the hands, eh? :)
 
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IMO this hand isn't even close. If you don't check-raise the flop ffs put more money than $1 in on the turn. Never folding the river.
 
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I think CO has AA and feels you missed your draw so its a call
 
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