$25 NLHE Full Ring: bet, bet, min bet? wtf lol?!

pokerstars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP+1: $18.40
Hero (LP): $25.00
CO: $11.71
BTN: $9.50
SB: $13.93
BB: $25.00
UTG: $26.36
UTG+1: $25.00
MP: $27.99

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Ah Qc

fold, fold, MP raises to $0.75, fold, Hero calls $0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) Qh 5d Th
MP bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.85, 2 players) 9d
MP bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10

River: ($8.05, 2 players) 5c
MP bets $0.38, Hero??

was considering raising the flop but figured it'd be better to peel and either see a heart/brick before raising for value.

hate the 9 on the turn since all his worse Q's now beat me or have a draw so getting it in here is pretty bad.

5's a massive brick and also pairs the board so all his overpairs should be betting big for value since they beat all 'my' possible 2 pair hands.

his two pair hands should also be betting big for value since the board is so connected he's very likely to get a call off a 1 pair hand/worse 2 pair hand.

doubt he has a 5/is scared of a 5, and if he did he'd never bet that small..

(we are counting 1 pair hands as Qx without the kicker hitting another pair on the board e.g. KQ, I'm aware of the 5 making all hands 2 pair hands.)

(was going to fold this river to a big bet, might be a leak but fish can't triple barrel light imo)

(almost went into level 4 thinking on this one, but then realised he was tagged green )

so can we raise this river? or are we turning our hand into a bluff doing that?

if he has under pairs, (77 etc) we can't really get value can we?

kinda answered my own question doing this, but I'm gonna stick it up anyway since I haven't posted outside my other thread in a while.

thanks for the help.. dunno, might be because its pointless

anyway, 6 views bump lol

Nothing on Villain? No stats? He's a dumb full ring nit like the rest of you?

The river bet is just dumb, treat it like a check. If this guy's an unknown, you can assume he's betting to induce or block or anything like that. He's barreled twice, and then on the river he pretty much tells you he's done betting.

I certainly raise the river here. Worse pairs call all day.

And if you're going to raise a street, I prefer the flop. But if he's a tagnit raising from EP, there's not a ton of draws in his range. So flatting is probably better. I'm not in a big hurry to play a big pot on that flop.

c9h13no3 said:

He's a dumb full ring nit like the rest of you?

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you what?

c9h13no3 said:

Nothing on Villain? No stats?*

The river bet is just dumb, treat it like a check. If this guy's an unknown, you can assume he's betting to induce or block or anything like that. He's barreled twice, and then on the river he pretty much tells you he's done betting.*

I certainly raise the river here. Worse pairs call all day.

And if you're going to raise a street, I prefer the flop. But if he's a tagnit raising from EP, there's not a ton of draws in his range. So flatting is probably better. I'm not in a big hurry to play a big pot on that flop.

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aside from that, no real amount of hands to go by, like 20 hands so.. yeah, that's not too helpful.

had him tagged as a fish was just wondering how thin a raise it is in that spot.

Yea I prefer calling flop to raising and I think you miss value if you don't bet river. I'd make it just short of half pot. In his eyes I think your range is fairly capped and there's a few hand you can have that might bluff the river so I think you defo miss value by not betting.

I make it $5 on the river.

c9h13no3 said:

He's a dumb full ring nit like the rest of you?

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haha +1

As for the hand I probably raise and fold to a shove + make a note if he does shove or if he calls make a note what he blocker bet with to help with sizing in the future.

Campbell92 said:

aside from that, no real amount of hands to go by, like 20 hands so.. yeah, that's not too helpful.

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20 hands is enough to know whether he's a fish or a bad reg, which affects how I play a lot. I prolly raise this against a fish all day long & I'm super comfortable playing for stacks. If a guy is a nit, then I wanna play like a 60 big blind pot.

I don't know if it's just me but I really want to raise the flop. Villain probably won't fold worse Qs, he'll have draws that he can call with, seems like a great play to me.

I want to make it $3-$4 but goddamnit, I know this idiot has KJhh or something.

I min bet on the river usually means a weak hand that villain wants to use to take down the pot. I like our hand still have some showdown value and I think our TPTK is not terrible in this situation. Hands like KQ, QJ, or KT are still in villain's range.
I think I would call the small river bet instead of reraising in this spot however since villain could have used the small bet to induce a raise to which villain shoves all in over to take the pot. I wouldnt mind folding if your gut feels you are beat.

Yea if he is a reg then its a snap call, and a fish a raise.

Because we only have 20 hands on him, I take the low variance option here always, and call.

ClubArrow77 said:

I min bet on the river usually means a weak hand that villain wants to use to take down the pot. I like our hand still have some showdown value and I think our TPTK is not terrible in this situation. Hands like KQ, QJ, or KT are still in villain's range.
I think I would call the small river bet instead of reraising in this spot however since villain could have used the small bet to induce a raise to which villain shoves all in over to take the pot. I wouldnt mind folding if your gut feels you are beat.

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Really? We need to call .38 in a pot of $8.40 and you're ok with folding??? We need to be good 4% of the time. Hell it's a misclick 4% of the time. Folding would be VERY VERY bad.

I'm never ever folding..

just thinking if he's trying to block me I'm not getting value from worse here am I?

and discounted the hands above for the reasons above..

so really I'm just confused in all honesty.