$25 NLHE Full Ring: At what point would you shut down?

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: At what point would you shut down?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 65/18/3.6

50 hands on villain

and did I play this hand as well (or as bad) as I could?

CO: $24.15 (96.6 bb)
BTN: $15.75 (63 bb)
SB: $20 (80 bb)
Hero (BB): $25 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $16.43 (65.7 bb)
MP1: $36.40 (145.6 bb)
MP2: $8.89 (35.6 bb)
MP3: $26.24 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with K
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K
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UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $1, 5 folds, Hero raises to $3, MP1 calls $2

OOP, maybe I should have 3bet more preflop

Flop: ($6.10) 2
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7
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A
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(2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP1 calls $3

The ace is always scary, especially against a mega call station like him but i have to c-bet, I could have pot it, made it bigger but I didnt want to make the pot too big with that ace out.

Turn: ($12.10) Q
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(2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP1 calls $5

When he called, I figured maybe he had a pair, maybe the ace and with no draws and very few 2 pair combos out there, I take one last shot at the pot. I realise my bet size here may smell weak, but i was trying to get the pot to be not too big.

River: ($22.10) 7
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

Thanks boys
 
c9h13no3

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-Three bet larger preflop. This guy is a drooler, charge him.
-Betting the flop is fine.
-On the turn, I probably check/call since his aggression factor is so high. I might check/fold depending on his fold to c-bet stat, but I highly doubt its high enough to check/fold the turn.

You also need to keep in mind that if you bet the turn, its as a thin value bet, or a blocking bet. Not a bluff. You're hoping to get a call from 7x, Qx, 88-JJ on the turn. When you combine the fact that your opponent likely has tons of junk in his range, with the fact that he might raise some aces on the flop, there might be enough room to v-bet the turn. But with his AF so high for his VPIP, I'd probably check to him and bluff catch.
 
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I concur with everything c9h has said above, except the larger 3bet pf.
The reason I don't want to go bigger is because I already have 1 player isolated, so that job is done, next, I want to extract as much $$ as possible from villain and since you have the 2nd best pf starting hand I don't want to scare him away pf. The fact that an A flopped was unfortunate, but you can't be afraid of that happening.
 
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I want to extract as much $$ as possible from villain
Since this guy's VPIP is 65%, I really don't see him folding preflop unless we make this like $8+ to go. The way to extract the maximum here is to make him pay the maximum he will call. $5-$6 preflop.
 
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well just so you know that bastard min raised then called a 3 bet with A9off.... but I did take him for a 27$ pot later!
 
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What's wrong with raising A9o. Now calling a 3bet with it is bad but he's a bad player. Bad players make bad plays. I think you played the hand fine and I agree preflop could have been bigger but making it $3 is OK.
 
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What's wrong with raising A9o. Now calling a 3bet with it is bad but he's a bad player. Bad players make bad plays. I think you played the hand fine and I agree preflop could have been bigger but making it $3 is OK.

Well personally I would muck ace nine in UTG + 1, with 6 players behind you who have yet to act in a full ring game, likely playing it OOP for the rest of the hand. I dont think its profitable to play in the long run from that early...other than that its the calling the 3bet with it that pissed me off more than anything lolll
 
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its the calling the 3bet with it that pissed me off
You want him to call the 3-bet, you shouldn't be pissed off, you should be fistpumping. He'll pair aces very rarely (roughly 15% of the time, or ~6.6:1).

The trick is to make sure that we don't pay him off more than 6.6 times more than when he called the 3-bet. Preflop, he called 2 dollars and he won 8 from you when he hit (or 4 times). Therefore, in the long run, if he folds every time he doesn't flop an ace, and he wins $8 extra off you when he does flop an ace, he'll lose money. In order for his play to break even, he'd have to make $13.2 when he spikes an ace and always fold when he's behind.

But what's even more important is that he'll sometimes flop a nine and lose money, will flop two overcards and float you, and sometimes he'll decide to bluff into your kings postflop. He can't see your hand, so its very unlikely that he'll play perfectly against you. So this makes it a HUGELY winning play.

And just a little something to think about, lets say we make our 3-bet $5 instead of $3.

Now, he'll be making even more of a losing play when calling. He'd have to make $26.4 every time he flops an ace! But he can't do that, because your stack is only $25!

And in order for the $5 raise to be less profitable than a $3 raise, villain would have to fold twice as often to $5 raise than to a $3 raise, since you make twice as much ($4 instead of $2) when he calls. And I'd be willing to bet that he won't fold twice as much if you stick two more dollars onto your 3-bet size.
 
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You want him to call the 3-bet, you shouldn't be pissed off, you should be fistpumping. He'll pair aces very rarely (roughly 15% of the time, or ~6.6:1).

The trick is to make sure that we don't pay him off more than 6.6 times more than when he called the 3-bet. Preflop, he called 2 dollars and he won 8 from you when he hit (or 4 times). Therefore, in the long run, if he folds every time he doesn't flop an ace, and he wins $8 extra off you when he does flop an ace, he'll lose money. In order for his play to break even, he'd have to make $13.2 when he spikes an ace and always fold when he's behind.

But what's even more important is that he'll sometimes flop a nine and lose money, will flop two overcards and float you, and sometimes he'll decide to bluff into your kings postflop. He can't see your hand, so its very unlikely that he'll play perfectly against you. So this makes it a HUGELY winning play.

And just a little something to think about, lets say we make our 3-bet $5 instead of $3.

Now, he'll be making even more of a losing play when calling. He'd have to make $26.4 every time he flops an ace! But he can't do that, because your stack is only $25!

And in order for the $5 raise to be less profitable than a $3 raise, villain would have to fold twice as often to $5 raise than to a $3 raise, since you make twice as much ($4 instead of $2) when he calls. And I'd be willing to bet that he won't fold twice as much if you stick two more dollars onto your 3-bet size.

Really good points man, than for your feedback!
 
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Just to make you feel better I stacked a9 just yesterday with pocket kk when I 3 bet him oop and cbet flop, he jammed on 566r and I happily called.

So we do sometimes make the fish pay even though they always have the biggest stacks on the table lol
 
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