$25 NLHE Full Ring: AQo would you call here pre??

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$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
SB: $14.40 (sitting out)
BB: $18.63
UTG: $25.35 (sitting out)
UTG+1: $22.60
MP: $50.71
MP+1: $28.32 VPIP 40% PFR 11% AGG 2.3 HANDS 85
MP+2: $26.40
CO Hero: $28.49
BTN: $17.79 VPIP 15% PFR 13% AGG 2.3 3BET 17% (6) BTN POS HANDS 56

Pre-flop: ($0.25) Hero is CO and dealt :qs4: :ah4:
2 folds, MP+1 calls $0.25, MP+2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BTN raises to $2, BB folds, MP+1 calls $1.75, Hero would you consider calling here pre??
 
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Personally I'm going to call here pre, but I'm not necessarily calling a big bet on the flop even if the Ace does hit. Hoping for a TPTK flop with the queen hitting but if this doesn't happen (usually doesn't obviously), I think I'm ok with folding to to a big bet here even if the ace hits.


Not sure if this is a good or bad move but it would be tough for me not to call the extra dollar with AQ.
 
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Yeah, I'm coming along.
 
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We're never folding here pre to this small of a raise closing the action are we? I was actually going to say you should 4b this given the BTN's high 3b% from the BTN (if I'm reading that right it's BTN only, not his entire 3b%), but this is FR and I guess you're supposed to be all tighter and less spastic in FR.

Either way you're at least calling to see a flop given how the hand has played out.
 
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Yeah can't fold this here...
 
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Everyone wants to call but I need reasons why 4betting is wrong
 
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Everyone wants to call but I need reasons why 4betting is wrong

Lol I want to 4 bet but I'm not terribly experienced in FR other than knowing most people play tighter in FR I guess? This would be a super standard 4b in 6m considering BTN's 3b % from the BTN, I just don't know if that would translate to FR or not.
 
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Isn't that all the more reason to 4bet? Because the fish will still call with worse
 
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that's way too tight, fish has all sorts of stuff like QTs/A9s/87s that he calls with.

have to say I really want to 4-bet too, tons of money in the pot.
 
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Everyone wants to call but I need reasons why 4betting is wrong

A tight player with which we have no relevant 3bet stats on has min 3bet us. If his range was wide here I'm happy to 4bet for value (tag folds fish calls). If it's tight we're burning money not just preflop but postflop as when we hit and villain has AK/QQ+ we're very often getting stacked.

Without any 3bet information I play it safe and call. Especially how the min 3bet is less likely to be a bluff than a properly sized one.

1/6 3bets from the buttons means nothing, if you don't have a big hand sample please use the standard 3bet% as it converges faster. Even if we did have lots of hands there's no reason not to include the overall 3bet%.
 
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I don't flat call here... I probably raise to 3.00 to make the flop easier to play. If I flop top pair top kicker, it will be pretty hard to fold since i am sitting with a PSR of about 3... which makes me almost certainly committed if my hand hits. flat calling here puts your PSR arond 9.3, which makes it very tough if you hit the flop on a coordinated board.... if you bet with top pair/good kicker and get raised by the button on a coordinated flop after just calling the PFR you're put to a hard choice... often you'll be the best, but you'll fold a lot of those times because you're not committed to the pot.... there is less chance to make a mistake after the flop if you raise the preflop action.
 
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Scratch my last post. I for some reason made a bad calculation somehow... i have no idea how.
 
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