$25 NLHE Full Ring: AKs: Turn thoughts

$25 NL HE Full Ring: AKs: Turn thoughts

Just sat down at this table, no real reads on villain. Seems actively involved. Our only encounter was BvB. Where he open limped in the SB, I raised 3x in the BB, and he folded.

I just moved up to 25NL, and it's situations like this (AK OOP) that tend to give me some trouble. Critique as much as you want please

Main Question: As played, what do we do on turn?

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HAND #1
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poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP1: $10.90 (43.6 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
MP3: $34.40 (137.6 bb)
CO: $25.25 (101 bb)
BTN: $42.30 (169.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $25.25 (101 bb)
BB: $8.30 (33.2 bb)
UTG+1: $25 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K A
4 folds, CO raises to $1, BTN calls $1, Hero raises to $3.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $2.25

Flop: ($7.75) A Q 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5

Turn: ($17.75) 8 (2 players)
Hero ???

Edit: Got $17 left

I'd fire again, maybe $5 or so. Pot is big enough you don't want to just give up on it and the spade might have scared him as much as you. Not to mention he could be holding A-x in this position.

I dunno, I feel a bet of $5 is pretty worthless. Any A/xs is definitely coming along for that price, not to mention Ks/x Js/x

bump

The 3bet pf is a little light imo - $4.25 to $4.50 maybe?

I don't like Villain's flat call behind CO's open raise pf and subsequent flat call of Hero's 3bet, so I'm not thinking he's a good player - I usually only see fish doing this w middle pp's and strong A's. So I'm not too worried about a made flush on the turn, but I am a little worried about AQ - only AQ comes to mind as something we're behind - the problem is I can't imagine a ton of hands that call both the 3bet and that flop other than AJ+.

Being somewhat stupid, I shove here (too little left behind to make a smaller bet, and we've already got 1/3 our stack in) - some flush draws may call, AJ may call (AK/AQ will call), though most pp's will fold.

Checking and then shoving over any bet may be a better option, not sure - but if Villain checks behind and there's a spade river, we're going to have to ch/f I think.

I like a bigger 3bet pf also, typically i like to make it about 4x oop.
That should make the pot size on the turn about $21 or so, with about $14 behind, at which point I would probably just shove. You'll likely still have the best hand, but the pot is too big to risk giving a free card. Looking at preflop action I think villain is probably a fish, so you can expect to be called by worse

the Old O.O.P with Top top

Definately a tough spot, the problem with betting is he might have the flush and

just be waiting to check raise. the prudent "textbook" play would be to check

the turn and value bet the riv if you bet here on the turn you are pretty much

potcommiting yourself TT isnt a hand worth investing 100 bbs IMO most of the

time. By checking the turn and value betting the Riv i believe you profit the

most and loss the least in the long run

damon789 said:

Definately a tough spot, the problem with betting is he might have the flush and

just be waiting to check raise. the prudent "textbook" play would be to check

the turn and value bet the riv if you bet here on the turn you are pretty much

potcommiting yourself TT isnt a hand worth investing 100 bbs IMO most of the

time. By checking the turn and value betting the Riv i believe you profit the

most and loss the least in the long run

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Hmmm, not sure we're talking about the same hand here - he's got a pair of AA's +K kicker, not TT. EDIT - ah, top/top, not ten/ten, sorry. Yeah, TPTK is not an ideal hand to commit on unless you think it's the best hand for other reasons - how big a fish is Villain here?

I think Richyl's right, we've likely got the best hand and giving a free card is not prudent.

wrong abbrev

slycbnew said:

Hmmm, not sure we're talking about the same hand here - he's got a pair of AA's +K kicker, not TT. EDIT - ah, top/top, not ten/ten, sorry. Yeah, TPTK is not an ideal hand to commit on unless you think it's the best hand for other reasons - how big a fish is Villain here?

I think Richyl's right, we've likely got the best hand and giving a free card is not prudent.

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ok yeah my bad TP/ TK from now on not TT just my opinion as limmy said all

feed back welcome I just think checking if Villan has an ace with a worse kicker

a freecard aint gonna hurt most of the time as at best he's got 3 outs and if

he's trapping then potcommited rears its head if hero bets so as I said

prudent maybe but just my opinion

Okay. Same hand. I ended up a little lost and decided not to jam which I should have done, but checked. He bets $7 (odd small bet, I really didn't respect this guy too much) and I shoved over the top. River K, which I was happy about b/c it eliminated AQ from having the winning hand, which despite this guy not seeming like the best player, was definitely in his range.

villain turned over Ks/Js for the nut flush.

Now that I think about it I am fine with all of my plays, just a little bit discouraging as it was my first attempt at 25NL, so wanted to make sure . thanks for replies as always

Richyl2008 said:

I like a bigger 3bet pf also, typically i like to make it about 4x oop.
That should make the pot size on the turn about $21 or so, with about $14 behind, at which point I would probably just shove. You'll likely still have the best hand, but the pot is too big to risk giving a free card. Looking at preflop action I think villain is probably a fish, so you can expect to be called by worse

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Ditto

the hand i fear most here is QQ...the call on the flop without a raise is strange...at this level i think if he was on a flush draw he raises to not make the draw so obvious...all that in mind...you have a strong hand, and playing at the level you are, you should be able to afford to lose what you have so you have to bet here...probably 75% of the pot...if you get called and another spade comes up....GTFO...if not...i would shove the river and find out if he had QQ or not

Goodwooter said:

the hand i fear most here is QQ...

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Any large pp is a tiny part of his range based on pf play, even a fish generally would either 3bet the original opener or shove over Hero's 3bet w QQ, most of them realize that an A or K high flop means trouble. This pretty much has to be a hand that wants to see a flop without committing a lot of money.