$25 NLHE Full Ring: AK UTG, 3 bet and flatted, ?

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: AK UTG, 3 bet and flatted, ?

1st time UTG, 8th hand at table so no reads.

I raise, get 3 bet, it's flatted


poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
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CO: 100 bb
BTN: 55 bb
SB: 123.4 bb
BB: 123.8 bb
Hero (MP1): 100 bb
MP2: 61.4 bb
MP3: 160 bb

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with K
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Hero raises to 4 bb, MP2 folds,
MP3 raises to 12 bb, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds,
BB calls 11 bb,
Hero calls 8 bb

Flop: (36.4 bb) K
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(3 players)
BB checks, Hero ?



4 bet/fold to shove pre, even though I've raised from early so the 3 bettor should have a hand since he 3 bet?

As played, what's our plan for the rest of the hand?
 
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I check raise here try to get it in here.
Even if he is 3betting a UTG raiser i still think a unknown 25nl player will have enough JJ,QQ,AQ and worse hands he will spaze out with when c/r in a 3bet pot to make it profitable to get it in.
Kinda hard to analys with out knowing MP3 action after you check(asuming u check that is).

I also hate hate hate the thought of 4bet folding preflop here, just to much dead money in there if u do.
PRF after BB cold calls the 3bet i will asume he is bad and has medium PP almost allways and probably 4bet/shove and get it in prf cause the dead money means we dont need to be good as often.
But i also dont have enough FR 25nl hands to say if its profitable to stack prf with it, 6max its a snapshove obvs. imo.
 
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NineLions said:
4 bet/fold to shove pre, even though I've raised from early so the 3 bettor should have a hand since he 3 bet?
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If you 4bet pre, you commit yourself and have to call a shove. 4betting with the idea to fold to a shove is baaad.

As played, what's our plan for the rest of the hand?
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Check back. you're somewhat WA/WB here against villain's range.
 
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BelgoSuisse said:
If you 4bet pre, you commit yourself and have to call a shove. 4betting with the idea to fold to a shove is baaad.



Check back. you're somewhat WA/WB here against villain's range.
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3way pot, 3bettor is behind hero.
So are u c/c or c/r, are we ever folding to a flop bet after we call the 3bet and flop TPTK?
 
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sindri_93 said:
3way pot, 3bettor is behind hero.
So are u c/c or c/r, are we ever folding to a flop bet after we call the 3bet and flop TPTK?
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didn't realise it was 3way.

we're ready to play for stacks here. But we want to let villain bluff the bottom of his range here, so we'll play semi-passive.
 
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ch/call flop and CRAI non Q/J turns?
 
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dsvw56 said:
ch/call flop and CRAI non Q/J turns?
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yeah this is exactly what i do although i guess check calling on turn is fine but then you have to call any river pretty much
 
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sindri_93 said:
3way pot, 3bettor is behind hero.
So are u c/c or c/r, are we ever folding to a flop bet after we call the 3bet and flop TPTK?
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BelgoSuisse said:
didn't realise it was 3way.

we're ready to play for stacks here. But we want to let villain bluff the bottom of his range here, so we'll play semi-passive.
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Agreed. I guess my question is, is there any way pre or given this flop that we're not stacking off to AA/KK? Maybe if it's not 3 way so the flop is smaller, I dunno. I guess without strong reads on villain or incompetence on villain's part I guess not.
 
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NineLions said:
Agreed. I guess my question is, is there any way pre or given this flop that we're not stacking off to AA/KK? Maybe if it's not 3 way so the flop is smaller, I dunno. I guess without strong reads on villain or incompetence on villain's part I guess not.
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Sucks if it happens, but no not really.

KK is unlikely anyway (but possible)

as has already been said... JJ/QQ/AK/AQ are all most likely in both players range as well as quite possibly worse kings (KQ/KJ etc).. and given these are unkowns, it's very possible other stuff is in their range as well (AJ/AT/lower pp's...) but I'd do a range here of JJ+, AQ+ along with maybe a discounted KQ just to be on the safer side of things.

all of which are far more likely than AA/KK so... you are ahead of their range here by a bunch.
 
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