$25 NLHE Full Ring: AK in position with 65bb effective stacks

$25 NL HE Full Ring: AK in position with 65bb effective stacks

full tilt poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 655937
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MP1: $10.42
MP2: $16.38
CO: $13.02
Hero (BTN): $28.84
SB: $35.62
BB: $45.44
UTG: $14.81
UTG+1: $27.98
UTG+2: $26.05

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A K
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $5, 4 folds, MP2 raises to $16.38, 1 fold, Hero calls $11.38


MP2 is 35/14/2.7 3bet = 5.7 F3bet = 0 over 72 handsThese are my notes.

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I think, given stack sizes I should shove or fold rather than raise.

I also think I should have picked up on villians PFR size and therefore folded preflop.

$5 is fine, I don't see any reason to 3bet shove here even though he is short stacked, I don't think the extra fold equity means anything in this spot, $5 is going to fold all the things you want to fold everything else is probably shoving and you get the right odds to call.

What it sounds like you are saying is that because you are committed with a $5 bet you may as well shove, right?

Well, I think that you MAY get a shove from something in the AQ vicinity, and maybe from some coin flips (maybe even TT or JJ) that may not call if you 3bet shove, which I guess is fine. On the other hand only the hands that split (AK), or beat you (AA, KK) are probably calling your shove.

Given that I'm getting my money in either way I would rather get it in against some stuff we have better equity against.

Do you think his shove calling range is stronger than his shoving range?

If those two ranges are equal, how does that effect your decision?

Also, how would folding EVER be an option with AK in position? Also, a shove is TEN TIMES his bet.

I just don't think 65bb is short enough to open shove- the other factor is the CO. How does his range figure in, what if you get a call from him and a fold from MP2 when you raise $5?

Just a few other thoughts to mix in.

Ubercroz said:

What it sounds like you are saying is that because you are committed with a $5 bet you may as well shove, right?

Thats basically it


Also, how would folding EVER be an option with AK in position? Also, a shove is TEN TIMES his bet.

There is some dead money in the pot from the caller.

Folding.. I'm not sure if I can narrow his range to something like 5% because of his larger than usual bet size.

Even so shoving probably isnt that good an option.

Maybe I can go smaller???

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AK is the immortal nuts with 65 BBs effective.

$5 is not that crazy big.

What would the purpose of a smaller bet be? If you really only think the hands that he could have are really AA, KK, and AK then ok. But, I think there are more hands than those in there. A bigger bet on his part may have been due to a lot of things and a good hand are some of those.

This guy has also NEVER folded to a 3bet if I read your notes correctly (is that 72 3bets he has not folded to or 72 total hands?)

But if this guy is not folding to 3bets then a bigger than normal 3bet would STILL be okay, since you are getting value from his inability to let go of a hand.

I don't see how a smaller 3bet is better, seems to me that you are betting enough to make your decision easier. AK is a good hand, you have enough equity against his opening range to 3bet especially with dead money in there. Once he shoves you certainly have enough equity to call.

The question is which is going to allow him to make a mistake more often, or at least a bigger mistake more often. I think that betting rather than shoving is giving him the chance to do more dumb things than shoving does, since he may shove on you with worse.

MP2 raise is to 6 bb; with 2 limpers ahead, players behind and maybe a vulnerable hand like AK/AQ/KQ I don't see 4 bb + one for each limper all that big.

I dunno if shoving has more fold equity than making a raise as you did. Maybe it does; I'm just not sure psychologically at $25nl that it does. I think that no one at $25nl expects you to fold after making the raise that you did. The only option to me is 3 betting smaller, if and only if you want him to shove over top when you have AA/KK, or for that matter maybe even QQ/JJ/AK against this player.

And we all might be thinking the same thing here; with 65bbs and 6 bbs in the pot, it's possible that we have no fold equity no matter what we do against this player.