$25 NLHE Full Ring: AA line check vs. possible BTN nit

Lemlywinks

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: AA line check vs. possible BTN nit

This is just a hand that I need reassurance on. villain has played very little in the 27 hands that he's been at the table, and thus the low vpip. However, it is only 27 hands so can't make too much of a value judgement on how he plays

This was his first 3bet of the day, and since im sitting there with AA, my initial assumtion is KK. How is my play?

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poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (MP1): $25.05 (100.2 bb)
MP2: $5.60 (22.4 bb)
MP3: $97.85 (391.4 bb)
CO: $21.15 (84.6 bb)
BTN: $23.20 (92.8 bb)
SB: $4.75 (19 bb)
BB: $5 (20 bb)
UTG: $5 (20 bb)
UTG+1: $5 (20 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with A
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A
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BTN raises to $2.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($5.85) Q
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6
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T
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(2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN calls $4

Turn: ($13.85) T
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Hero checks, BTN bets $2, Hero raises to $18.30 and is all-in
 
jewboy07

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if your initial assumption is KK why wouldnt we try to get it in pf?
 
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As jewboy says, esp OOP.

I have a tendency to love to not 3 or 4 bet AA in order to chase more value by not folding out AK/QQ/JJ but it gets difficult with flops like this, esp OOP. The turn is not a bad card; you're still dead to QQ but probably could have gotten all in pre and had the same result.
 
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4bet pf w intention to shove pf, esp. oop. As jewboy points out, if he's got KK, he'll go over the top of you. He'll probably flat TT-QQ, maybe AJs+ (all of which should be in his 3bet range if he's any good - if he's not, then his range is a lot narrower, but should include at least QQ+, AK).

I prefer leading this turn, which looks more like AQ/KQ/KJ (if you're right about KK, he should raise the turn - though I would've expected that to happen on the flop), rather than a ch/r, but I think the ch/r is fine.

Villain's turn bet looks like 99/JJ/AQ/KQ/KJ to me - I doubt a T would make such a small bet. I'd be a little surprised if Villain calls the ch/r, more surprised if he has AT/KK/QQ.
 
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should have 3bet pf, but since you ended up in this situation you had no choice but to shove.I`m curious about the results :)
 
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His 3bet range is likely ultra tight so get as much in preflop as possible. I'll occasionally even just overbet shove over his 3bet because a lot of villains auto assume AK when you (at least when I) do that and they'll talk themselves into a call with JJ/QQ.
 
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Villain's turn bet looks like 99/JJ/AQ/KQ/KJ to me - I doubt a T would make such a small bet. I'd be a little surprised if Villain calls the ch/r, more surprised if he has AT/KK/QQ.

Yea I was going through it and I'm actually expecting a 10 .01% of the time at best. I mean, the only somewhat barely logical thing a 7/1 after 27 would have that includes a 10 is obv A10s. But from a guy that never 3bets, I really doubt he would have this.

I narrowed range down to JJ+ but obv AA isn't likely. The J's maybe just way underbetting trying to get to a cheap showdown.

AQ/AK are also still somewhat in there, though I really don't see AK floating that flop
 
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Preflop we 4bet.

* Were out of position
* Our opponents range is very tight
*4betting AA should be our standard play especially at 25NL
 
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