$25 NLHE Full Ring: Is this a standard hand or should I play differently?

skrsh76

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 17/12/2.5

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

CO ($10.65)
Button ($25.28)
SB ($25)
BB ($16.09)
UTG ($11.80)
UTG+1 ($32.78)
MP1 ($25.92)
Hero (MP2) ($30.77)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q
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, A
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1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, 3 folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35) Q
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, 2
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, 3
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(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1.68, Hero calls $1.68, 1 fold

Turn: ($5.71) 9
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(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.72, UTG+1 calls $2.72

River: ($11.15) 9
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(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $11.15 | Rake: $0.50
 
c9h13no3

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Bet/fold the river. All the draws missed, and villain isn't folding KQ, and likely isn't checking KK twice. I might just shove?
 
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For sure have to bet this river but I don't think shoving works here with a 2x bet behind.

Villains are going to look you up with Qx and Ax and maybe even 88-jj if you bet 40-50% pot.
 
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I really need to learn to bet/fold in a spot like this. Miss too much value checking these through...
 
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I really need to learn to bet/fold in a spot like this. Miss too much value checking these through...

It's something you learn as you mature as a player. I used to think "well all draws missed so there probably isn't much villain will call with so lets check!" but in reality all draws did miss and you also have some busted draws so villains will look you up lighter and people are almost never bluff shoving rivers once you bet at these stakes.

FWIW I wouldn't be too surprised if villain shows up with 9x(checked turn for pot control) here and does jam after we bet but thats why you need to be disciplined enough to bet/fold and not talk yourself into calling after you bet.
 
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I'd bet more on the turn, probably something closer to about $4. You want to charge these draws and also get more value from weaker pairs and weaker Qx hands. On the river, I'd bet big again, probably close to 80% pot. Hopefully the villain interprets this as a busted draw trying to steal the pot, then you can extract a lot of value. I wouldn't bother betting the river if you're going to bet less than 50% pot, since you're showing weakness by doing this and giving the villain a chance to check-raise you with a busted draw. So either bet big OTR with a bet/fold mentality or just check behind.
 
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It's something you learn as you mature as a player. I used to think "well all draws missed so there probably isn't much villain will call with so lets check!" but in reality all draws did miss and you also have some busted draws so villains will look you up lighter and people are almost never bluff shoving rivers once you bet at these stakes.

FWIW I wouldn't be too surprised if villain shows up with 9x(checked turn for pot control) here and does jam after we bet but thats why you need to be disciplined enough to bet/fold and not talk yourself into calling after you bet.

What 9x calls the flop though?
 
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Flush draws is about it.

Not sure a FR 17/12 has any suited 9s in his EP range. I do think we're ahead here most of the time but I'm not sure we're going to get called enough to make betting correct. If we think he's capable of bluff shoving over (admittedly unlikely), I check behind.
 
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Not sure a FR 17/12 has any suited 9s in his EP range. I do think we're ahead here most of the time but I'm not sure we're going to get called enough to make betting correct. If we think he's capable of bluff shoving over (admittedly unlikely), I check behind.

True, overlooked it being FR. When villain x/calls turn he seems to be bluff catching so let's give him a reason?
 
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I nice small "curiosity bet" would be good, probably even second pair calls since he has chips invested. Lesser queen kicker is also likely to call.
 
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Nice discussion. Much appreciated. He showed up with As9s.
 
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3-bet $2.25. He should fold or 4-bet. If he has been loose and he 4-bets shove on him. If he is tight call a 4-bet. As played a float is alright on the flop IP. A check raise would have been ok too. The turn bet was mandatory for value. The River check when the board pairs seems fine, but could we have got value from a worse hand from him? Perhaps. If he had a better hand he would have bet the turn and river. Also betting in bad spots can be good sometimes. Foe example when the board paired on the river he would have never suspected you would bluff there so it gets more respect. You want to bet to get more money in the pot or you want him to fold and give it to you.
 
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