$25 NLHE Full Ring: Is this a routine fold?

$25 NL HE Full Ring: Is this a routine fold?

Sorry, but I don't have the exact hand history for this.

I have QQ in mid position and the villian to my right raises to $1.25. I reraise him to $3.50 and he reraises me to $8. I don't have any stats on him as of yet, so I decide to call. Flop comes J x x rainbow and he shoves for about $16 more. Call or fold?

villian is definately playing a pp. I'm not sure if I would feel comfortable calling with QQ without having any stats on villian. Considering you invested quite a bit already in the pot and its a cash game I would just call and see what he has. You can always buy back in. If this was a tournament I would lay it down no question.

I would fold there since he re raised your re raise...it seems like villain basically told you he has aa or kk.

If he only has 16 more in his stack though I would call because at that point you would be pot committed.

i dont know if this is the best move,but i would call him...i put him on TT or ak, but sence you dont have the stats,i'm not sure if this is a good move

chukky88 said:

i dont know if this is the best move,but i would call him...i put him on TT or ak, but sence you dont have the stats,i'm not sure if this is a good move

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How exactly do you put him on TT or AK?

Also, I think you should either shove or fold pre flop and it's completely villain dependent as to which one I would do. If you do call this is pretty much the perfect flop for you since there is no over cards so I would call but it would be best to avoid this situation in the first place.

Completely read and image dependent for me too, and like Seany I probably prefer getting this in preflop - we can't get pushed off on an Axx or Kxx flop, and we can't lose our villain if he's playing AK and check-folds the flop. That's assuming our read is that the villain's range is something we're ahead of like TT+/AQ+. I don't play $25NL, but I'm assuming they've still got those type players there. If it's more a KK+ player then we get away.

As played, I think I have to call this. It's $16 to call in a $32 pot (or thereabouts) and there's a lot more AK/AQ/TT combos than there are AA/KK/JJ.

He has AA or KK, pretty plain and simple, or he nailed the set of jacks, etc.

I think you are way behind, but you had to see a flop.

I just dont see someone playing AK like this, if you had stats on this player then I would say follow your gut, but with no stats, and that play, have to fold it 100% I would think.

Make the call if you got the money to gamble, think a lot of it comes down to that.

Large preflop with overbet on flop, = AA or KK or set, easy enough to spot at those stakes.

As played, once you call preflop, you CANNOT fold on this board with only one pot-sized bet to call. Putting in 1/3 of your stack and then folding on a safe board is a sizable mistake.

I agree with others, you shouldn't be in this spot in the first place. Once he 4-bets, you have to decide then and there whether you want to play for stacks. Shove all in or fold. Which decision you make is completely villain dependent.

Either fold to the 4B pre or shove. As played, you absolutely cannot fold on this flop after calling preflop since a psb flop shove doesn't really give you any indications on whether or not villain's flop shoving range is any different than his 4B preflop range.

To me, the villians EP raise and reraise means AA, or KK. Possibly AK, but probably not. Not JJ, TT, AQ. So I would have folded to the preflop reraise. However, having called and seen the flop, it is really tough to call the remainder of your stack when you know your opponent has probably got a pair bigger than yours. I'd probably fold, and look for another opportunity.

Why is everyone so convinced villian had a huge pair, maybe villian had 9's and playing aggressive, trying to get you off your hand. There are only two hands that can beat you and can't lay this down especially after flop. If villian flopped set nothing you can do.

Yeah as has been said a few times... flatting preflop and then folding an overpair on that board sucks big time.

If you are going to fold what amounts to a great flop for QQ "cause villain might have KK/AA/JJ" then wtf are you calling preflop for?

Villain very well might have one of those hands but he could very easily show up with AK, AJ, TT or given that he's unkown god knows what else.

Repeated for emphasis, you can't call pre and fold on that flop.



edit: also, fwiw... if this is one of the villains first couple hands at the table it means one of two things.. he got lucky catching a huge hand (KK/AA) quickly (certainly possible) or he's overly aggressive with hands that don't warrant it. You don't mention, but did he happen to post his blind out of turn? Is this is actually his very first hand? If either is true (esp both), I'm much more likely to be pegging him as a fish and will get QQ in here with no hesitation whatsoever.

iriechief said:

Why is everyone so convinced villian had a huge pair,

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The preflop raise and reraise in early position. You just dont see 99 being played that way often. Whats more likely, AA/KK or 99? "When you hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras" says Mr Vorhous in Killer Poker.

This hand is interesting. I accept that once you made the mistake of calling the preflop raise, getting the rest of your money in may be OK. Countering this is the very strong clue that villian may have a pair better than yours. Knowing this, do you still throw your money in and hope??? Its pretty marginal in my view.

TheDoc said:

You just dont see 99 being played that way often.

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Yeah, people just SHOVE with any pair (not even as good as 99)...at least in almost every CC game I've been in. I don't get it. And just to sound like a broken record, playing how u did, NO WAY FOLD to that flop (even though we don't know the suits...or 2 of the cards).

If that was a tourney hand, thats a fold, certainly the villain has a pocket pair, but in the cash game you can just call see what he holds, you'll be winning a lot of pots with an overpair in this levels.

If that was a tourney hand, thats a fold, certainly the villain has a pocket pair, but in the cash game you can just call see what he holds, you'll be winning a lot of pots with an overpair in this levels.If that was a tourney hand, thats a fold, certainly the villain has a pocket pair, but in the cash game you can just call see what he holds, you'll be winning a lot of pots with an overpair in this levels.

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He nailed it. Great explanation

Man i hate it when you see those pretty ladies in the pocket and then get in sticky situations like this. But yes considering you don't know anything about your opponent in this situation i would say call if you have a steady bankroll and losing your buy in isn't a big deal so that you could see his cards and learn more about him.

Yea i would probably fold because there isnt much that you beat. The only hands i feel like that he would reraise to 8 preflop are Ak AA KK and JJ. and 3 out of the 4 have u beat. so fold

Chronical23 said:

i would say call if you have a steady bankroll and losing your buy in isn't a big deal so that you could see his cards and learn more about him.

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Another reason to play with a proper bankroll. Your roll should not enter into your decision. And won't, as long as you are properly rolled for the level you are playing.