$25 NLHE Full Ring: is a fold on the river correct here?

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My poor multitabling skills caused me to min raise on the turn when I meant to make a larger raise, other than my poor mechanical skills, is a fold correct here on the river?

EDIT:What would you do facing the river all in?

full tilt poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 999376
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SB: $36.51
BB: $25.00
UTG: $15.96
UTG+1: $25.00
UTG+2: $21.30
MP1: $26.02
MP2: $7.62
Hero (CO): $26.25
BTN: $22.92
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A :club: Q :heart:
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50
Flop: ($2.25) K :diamond: T :club: J :heart: (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, SB folds
Turn: ($5.25) 2 :spade: (2 players)
BB bets $1.75, Hero raises to $3.50, BB calls $1.75
River: ($12.25) K :club: (2 players)
BB bets $19.25 all in,
 
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Raise the flop. Raise the turn bigger. I don't ever fold the river here.

If he had 2pair or a set on the turn why would he just call the min raise? I think this is trips enough to make the call +EV. You have to be right ~38% of the time. It's close and the way you played the flop/turn made it a really shitty spot but I'm a station, I cawl.
 
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Why raise the flop with a made straight? jw, not saying your wrong haha I slowplay that pretty much any time it hits, but thats probably wrong to do

Wouldnt it push out alot of worse hands? or no?
 
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Why raise the flop with a made straight? jw, not saying your wrong haha I slowplay that pretty much any time it hits, but thats probably wrong to do

Wouldnt it push out alot of worse hands? or no?

Well it depends. What do you think he's leading into the preflop raiser with from OOP? I mean if he's the kind of guy to donk with 66 on that board sure, calling is best. But that board is scary and coordinated and him betting underpairs/air is very doubtful and even if he does he's not putting any more money in on the turn/river. He has so many pair+draw/2pair hands in his range that I think getting lots of money in as fast as possible with the nuts is best. But then again I like money and maybe you don't? ;)
 
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haha no i like money, im just a bad cash game player...so the river call would be ok here, but I definitely should of raised the flop and turn
right?
 
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when we raise the flop and bet bigger than a min-raise on the turn the river is an easy call. the way you played it makes you want to fold the best hand a huge % of the time. I think this is AK/KQ/Q9 an awful lot
 
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when we raise the flop and bet bigger than a min-raise on the turn the river is an easy call. the way you played it makes you want to fold the best hand a huge % of the time. I think this is AK/KQ/Q9 an awful lot
This. Exactly this.
 
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good point, well I folded and he showed 10 10 for the full house, but yea i see what you guys are saying...still learning here haha
 
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I used to never slowplay but I have added it into my game on occasion, but i still won't slowplay straights. when you say you will push out worse hands, that's absolutely incorrect.

The problem with straights are you cannot improve, but there are a ton of bad cards that can come:

A. Ks, Ts, Js pair the board, meaning you no longer have the nuts - up to 9 cards,12 after the turn.
B. As, Qs, 9s put 4 to a straight on the board - another 9 cards, of course these don't hurt your hand but they hurt your action.

so you see almost half the deck is going to be bad on the river.

Unless you flop Broadway, every straight you have is vulnerable to higher straight draws as well.

But, when you do flop Broadway, never ever slowplay it because a gazillion hands will call/reraise/shove:

AK is not going anywhere, and KQ/KJ might shove. AJ might peel a few off. JT is not going anywhere and any Qx is not folding either and can draw to worse straights it'll stack off on. Obviously sets are not folding.
 
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In my opinion, you just got unlucky when the river paired the board. If I had flopped the nut straight I think I would have probably pushed and lost all my money. Good fold. Better luck next time.
 
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I used to never slowplay but I have added it into my game on occasion, but i still won't slowplay straights. when you say you will push out worse hands, that's absolutely incorrect.

The problem with straights are you cannot improve, but there are a ton of bad cards that can come:

A. Ks, Ts, Js pair the board, meaning you no longer have the nuts - up to 9 cards,12 after the turn.
B. As, Qs, 9s put 4 to a straight on the board - another 9 cards, of course these don't hurt your hand but they hurt your action.

so you see almost half the deck is going to be bad on the river.

Unless you flop Broadway, every straight you have is vulnerable to higher straight draws as well.

But, when you do flop Broadway, never ever slowplay it because a gazillion hands will call/reraise/shove:

AK is not going anywhere, and KQ/KJ might shove. AJ might peel a few off. JT is not going anywhere and any Qx is not folding either and can draw to worse straights it'll stack off on. Obviously sets are not folding.

good good good post imo
 
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I used to never slowplay but I have added it into my game on occasion, but i still won't slowplay straights. when you say you will push out worse hands, that's absolutely incorrect.

The problem with straights are you cannot improve, but there are a ton of bad cards that can come:

A. Ks, Ts, Js pair the board, meaning you no longer have the nuts - up to 9 cards,12 after the turn.
B. As, Qs, 9s put 4 to a straight on the board - another 9 cards, of course these don't hurt your hand but they hurt your action.

so you see almost half the deck is going to be bad on the river.

Unless you flop Broadway, every straight you have is vulnerable to higher straight draws as well.

But, when you do flop Broadway, never ever slowplay it because a gazillion hands will call/reraise/shove:

AK is not going anywhere, and KQ/KJ might shove. AJ might peel a few off. JT is not going anywhere and any Qx is not folding either and can draw to worse straights it'll stack off on. Obviously sets are not folding.

This is excellent and the kind of eye opening stuff that is like Gold to a newbie like myself.

You didn't come right out and say it but it sounds like you are shoving here???

Thanks
 
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Easy call on the river for me. He may have trips, but I seriously doubt he has the boat. Ready to see the outcome of the hand. CM:icon_sunn
 
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thanks a lot baudib1, thats really helpful stuff right there haha, and i posted it earlier, he showed me 1010 for the boat lol
 
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Easy call on the river for me. He may have trips, but I seriously doubt he has the boat. Ready to see the outcome of the hand. CM:icon_sunn

you have much yet to learn...

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k, i would reraise the flop, reraise the turn, but from how you played the hand i snap call here and start crying when he shows me a fullhouse.
 
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haha yea as i posted, I didnt mean to min raise, I just suck at multitabling and when I went to click to drag the bar across to raise more, i dragged to far and it clicked min raise by accident
 
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