$25 NLHE Full Ring: 3Bet Pot Turned Straight Draw...Bet?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 14/10/2

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
SB: $15.15
BB: $25.00
UTG: $7.02
UTG+1: $28.76
MP: $37.72
MP+1: $42.78
CO: $25.00
Hero (BTN): $28.09
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Q♥ 9♦
fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, fold, CO calls $1.75
Flop: ($5.35, 2 players) 5♣ T♦ 7♣
CO checks, Hero bets $3.25, CO calls $3.25
Turn: ($11.85, 2 players) 8♠
CO checks Hero's instincts say Bet but on second thought?

So villain is a reg who doesn't fold to 3Bets particularly well but I still 3Bet him IP because he seems to fold to Cbets well. I want reasons for and against betting the turn here.....GOGOGOGOGO!

This seems like kinda an obvious check behind. Since you wanted a list of pros & cons, I made one:

For betting
1) Our implied odds suck. J/6 rivers rarely get us a ton of monies.
2) Villain calls 3-bets wide, so may have some Tx in his range he'll fold.


Against betting
1) Villain folds to c-bets well, and called OOP. Likely has a strong range & isn't giving up.
2) We can still rep clubs on the river.
3) We always realize the equity our draw gives us (we don't have to bet/fold the turn when villain shoves).
4) Villain likely has started adjusting if you've been abusing him, and his likely adjustment will be to bluff catch more. Betting plays right into his strategy.

do not 3bet with this hand against this person.

bgomez89 said:

do not 3bet with this hand against this person.

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Not the point of the hand at all so keep trolling....and why wouldn't I 3Bet a guy if he gives up easy and I have position. The only reason I can think of is that I hate money?

Also C9 <3

I'm kinda thinking maybe he could have some AK, AQ hands just because he's frustrated and it seems people adjust in silly ways...I guess this would be another reason to bet to fold these hands. But these probably aren't a big part of his range but something to think about.

lol trolling are you kidding me? What do you think this 14/10 calls a 3bet with? Do you have any actual stats on his fold to 3bet % instead of "doesn't fold well to them"?

Against this guy your 3bet range should be polarized and Q9o is just trash

bgomez89 said:

lol trolling are you kidding me? What do you think this 14/10 calls a 3bet with? Do you have any actual stats on his fold to 3bet % instead of "doesn't fold well to them"?

Against this guy your 3bet range should be polarized and Q9o is just trash

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Your missing the point.....HE FOLDS TO CBETS REALLLLLLLLLLLLLY WELLLLL....DUCY it is ok to 3Bet Q9 now??? Do You SEE?

honestly, no. I don't know why its ok to 3bet this person with Q9o. Suited connectors, small pairs, and stacking hands yes, i understand but q9o, No. I mean i get that you think you can 3bet him superwide because he'll just fold to any cbet but i just think its spew

Ok whatever you say...now any input as to what was actually asked about in my post?

I don't like betting again for the simple reason that you said he folds well to cbets yet he ch/called the flop and I just don't see a whole lot in his range that does that but then folds this turn. I mean if you think he's floating OOP with something like AK/AQ often that's one thing but that's not your read here. I check behind and bet most scary rivers if he checks again.

BTW I don't think you need to bet quite so big on the flop. Something like $2.75 probably gets the same number of folds from this guy and saves you a couple bbs if you have to give up after the cbet.

I'm probably checking behind seeing as he probably isnt folding since he didn't give into three cbet like normal

rileyl said:

Ok whatever you say...now any input as to what was actually asked about in my post?

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This is why you're at 25NL. You like to do sexy things like 3-bet and play post flop, but you don't like to do the non-sexy things like have a super solid, non-gambol preflop game.

Go read the psychology of poker, specifically the section on LAGs. You are one. You have a tendency to want to out smart & exploit your opponents and you crave action and try to push the slimmest of spots. Until you fix your mindset, your game is always ALWAYS going to be stuck at this level and you're never going to be better than just some guy who crushes micros. Seriously.

I'm not saying its not okay to 3-bet this guy, I'm commenting on all the hands you've posted and your general outlook on poker. I've been through the same process in more than one game and it always leads to the same conclusion: learn to get an edge on your opponents by *NOT* putting in action.

c9h13no3 said:

This is why you're at 25NL. You like to do sexy things like 3-bet and play post flop, but you don't like to do the non-sexy things like have a super solid, non-gambol preflop game.

Go read the psychology of poker, specifically the section on LAGs. You are one. You have a tendency to want to out smart & exploit your opponents and you crave action and try to push the slimmest of spots. Until you fix your mindset, your game is always ALWAYS going to be stuck at this level and you're never going to be better than just some guy who crushes micros. Seriously.

I'm not saying its not okay to 3-bet this guy, I'm commenting on all the hands you've posted and your general outlook on poker. I've been through the same process in more than one game and it always leads to the same conclusion: learn to get an edge on your opponents by *NOT* putting in action.

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Good post.

I know we've talked about poker before and def before I had massive FPS and all that good stuff but this time around after taking big break from poker and swtiching to Full Ring and upping my tables I'm really just playing solid. That's not to say I don't look for situations where I can exploit my opponents but I really am trying to tone down my overthinking. I know you've seen my crazy hands from the past (ie my Ace high call down for like 200bb's lol....I did win btw lol) and you are trying to help which I greatly appreciate.

Not trying to shove it in your face but the reason I'm at 25NL is not cuz of my roll at all...I'm more than rolled for 100NL but am learning Full Ring again and not rushing things.

Anyways hand is definitely a check behind on the turn, his range is probably pretty strong and it sucks if we get raised off our equity. Not sure whether I like repping clubs on the river if they come because I just don't think he's folding JJ or QQ...I guess I could overpot it and get some folds but not sure.

c9h13no3 said:

This is why you're at 25NL. You like to do sexy things like 3-bet and play post flop, but you don't like to do the non-sexy things like have a super solid, non-gambol preflop game.

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i am a little confused here. i also like to watch for exploitable tendencies of my opponents, but i always figured this goes into the "play the player, not the cards" category and less into "sexy things"