$25 NLHE Full Ring: 200BB hand facing aggression with T2P on suited flop

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 18.9/14.17/3

Was I ahead the whole way or did I suck out?

I feel I would have played it differently looking back, probably re-raise the flop but I think I was hoping for help on the turn etc.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $52.63
Hero (SB): $51.79
BB: $11.15
UTG: $11.67
UTG+1: $21.84
MP: $27.09
MP+1: $10.51
LP: $55.09
CO: $44.05

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has A:diamond: K:spade:

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.62, Hero raises to $2.00, fold, BTN calls $1.38

Flop: ($4.25, 2 players) A:club: 3:club: K:club:
Hero bets $2.75, BTN raises to $8.00, Hero calls $5.25

Turn: ($20.25, 2 players) 7:heart:
Hero checks, BTN bets $15.00, Hero calls $15.00

River: ($50.25, 2 players) K:heart:
Hero bets $26.79 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $48.25

The SPR is pretty good for top two (11.8). So I'm still quite happy stacking here, its just a matter of how to put the money in. Even if I put villain on a super tight range, we still have enough equity to stack the flop.

So here's our options:

1) Stack the flop & flip like a pro with a little dead money.
2) Call the flop and hope to check/raise blank turns.

I think I prefer #1, since we will likely get villain to fold a lot, and tons of turns are going to be tough. If I knew villain would bet the turn every time, I might lean towards #2. But that's a very specific read.

Btw, as played, check/shove the river. Villain's range is like 99% missed draws at that point.

c/shove river for sure.

i think 3bing flop is bad. call the flop raise, for sure. c/c turn (or c/shove blank turn), c/shove river. you wanna let him barrel off all worse hands. hes gunna barrel turn 99% of the time. 3bing flop turns your hand face up, and youre never getting called by worse

jchoop said:

i think 3bing flop is bad. call the flop raise, for sure. c/c turn (or c/shove blank turn), c/shove river. you wanna let him barrel off all worse hands. hes gunna barrel turn 99% of the time. 3bing flop turns your hand face up, and youre never getting called by worse

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[ ] never getting called by worse
[x] draws are worse hands

And how do you know he will barrel 99% of the time? If I had TxTc, or something like that, I would prolly check back the turn...

c9h13no3 said:

[ ] never getting called by worse
[x] draws are worse hands

And how do you know he will barrel 99% of the time? If I had TxTc, or something like that, I would prolly check back the turn...

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Without specific reads, I'd bet my left nut a player isn't flatting a 3b with TT then pot raising a flop, ESP on an AK high one. Secondy, if he is doing this as a bluff, he's more often than not going to continue with te bluff.

Consider villans stats, and tell me what worse hands he calls an all in flop 3b with for 250BBs. A flushdraw for that much... Really?The only worse hand i can see stacking here is AxQc, and even thats too sick for a deepstacked hand.Infact why are you even arguing this, you said yourself he should c/r turn, clearly implying that you agree villain will fire again here a ton

I'm happy getting stacks in on the flop as any club kills our action and his action whichever way we look at it.

I re-raise him on the flop and probs get chips in, if he flats, I then proceed to put in as many chips as possible on the turn which I think villian will call and by the river we he should be committed enough to get chips in.

I check shove the river.

Dislike the call on the flop and check call on the turn btw...the main problem is ofc any club is terribly for us both so we want as many chips in as we can. I'd rather c/r the turn and hope to get the chips in here.

Given villain's stats, cards on the flop and cards in our hand, villain almost never has us beat on the flop. He's also never folding something like AxQc and will rarely fold Qc/Jc of any sort. Stacking the flop would be totally standard.

Do I really have to go back and quote myself for jchoop to read my post correctly?

Also, because you suck, most draws think they have about 32-40% equity, and we'd be laying them 40% pot odds by shoving. So yeah, I expect them to call. And its for 207bb, not 250. But I suppose counting is hard?

If you want to continue pulling out the claws we can do that. And if you keep making posts with hunches rather than data, I'll continue to lambast your posts.

c9h13no3 said:

Do I really have to go back and quote myself for jchoop to read my post correctly?

Also, because you suck, most draws think they have about 32-40% equity, and we'd be laying them 40% pot odds by shoving. So yeah, I expect them to call. And its for 207bb, not 250. But I suppose counting is hard?

If you want to continue pulling out the claws we can do that. And if you keep making posts with hunches rather than data, I'll continue to lambast your posts.

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lol @ pulling out the claws.

ye 250 wtf, not sure why i said that lmao, tired. regardless, by shoving i think youre folding out a ton of hands that you can barrel for value

c9h13no3 said:

Do I really have to go back and quote myself for jchoop to read my post correctly?

Also, because you suck, most draws think they have about 32-40% equity, and we'd be laying them 40% pot odds by shoving. So yeah, I expect them to call. And its for 207bb, not 250. But I suppose counting is hard?

If you want to continue pulling out the claws we can do that. And if you keep making posts with hunches rather than data, I'll continue to lambast your posts.

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lol @ pulling out the claws.

ye 250 wtf, not sure why i said that lmao, tired. regardless, by shoving i think youre folding out a ton of hands that can barrel for value but wont call AI

jchoop said:

by shoving i think youre folding out a ton of hands that can barrel for value but wont call AI

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Sure, that's true. Hands like QJ with no club certainly aren't calling a shove. I'm just not sure how many pure bluffs are in villain's range. To me its a horrible board to bluff raise, since AA, KK, QxQc, AK, AQ aren't folding so there's not many combos left to get folds from unless villain thinks our range is a TON of light 3-bets. But our opponent prolly isn't that good, he might just be thinking "omg, scary board, bluff raise".

But yeah, regardless, I think getting value from pure bluffs that fold to a shove from our opponent isn't super important because:

1) On a board like this our opponent likely has more semibluffs than stuff with no equity.
2) I'd hate to fold the best hand when a club hits the turn.
3) Letting the semibluffs get off the hook for just $8 if they check back the turn is a huge mistake if we could've gotten them to stack off on the flop.

check the river

Definitley think0ing theres value there to be had - but the opponent hopefully has enough hands to give you an inkling of his behavior when a lead out PF turns into a ck on turn or flop so you can call or even re-raise a lil (just a lil! or the fish will bail). Either way a wins a win - no runner runner str8 flushy looking thing happend.

c9h13no3 said:

Sure, that's true. Hands like QJ with no club certainly aren't calling a shove. I'm just not sure how many pure bluffs are in villain's range. To me its a horrible board to bluff raise, since AA, KK, QxQc, AK, AQ aren't folding so there's not many combos left to get folds from unless villain thinks our range is a TON of light 3-bets. But our opponent prolly isn't that good, he might just be thinking "omg, scary board, bluff raise".

But yeah, regardless, I think getting value from pure bluffs that fold to a shove from our opponent isn't super important because:

1) On a board like this our opponent likely has more semibluffs than stuff with no equity.
2) I'd hate to fold the best hand when a club hits the turn.
3) Letting the semibluffs get off the hook for just $8 if they check back the turn is a huge mistake if we could've gotten them to stack off on the flop.

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this, especially the bold. this isn't a small mistake either.

Thanks for the responses,

I really hate how I played this hand, hence why I put it up.

My read on him was that he had some kind of ace, meaning the reason I flatted the flop was because I felt he would fold to a re-raise. The river shove was terrible I just didnt think at all.. I was probably a little tilted.