Originally Posted by jchoop
by shoving i think youre folding out a ton of hands that can barrel for value but wont call AI
Sure, that's true. Hands like QJ with no club certainly aren't calling a shove. I'm just not sure how many pure bluffs are in villain's range. To me its a horrible board to bluff raise, since AA, KK, QxQc, AK, AQ aren't folding so there's not many combos left to get folds from unless villain thinks our range is a TON of light 3-bets. But our opponent prolly isn't that good, he might just be thinking "omg, scary board, bluff raise".
But yeah, regardless, I think getting value from pure bluffs that fold to a shove from our opponent isn't super important because:
1) On a board like this our opponent likely has more semibluffs than stuff with no equity.
2) I'd hate to fold the best hand when a club hits the turn.
3) Letting the semibluffs get off the hook for just $8 if they check back the turn is a huge mistake if we could've gotten them to stack off on the flop.