$25 NLHE 6-max: Would you bet the river for value here?

Douggyfr3sh

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$25 NL HE 6-max: Would you bet the river for value here?

On the river, I didn't know if this guy was donk drawing or had a hand, just floating my every bet. Do you guys think I should bet the river for value here?

Converted hand::

BTN: $18.70 (74.8 bb)
SB: $16.92 (67.7 bb)
BB: $24.25 (97 bb)
UTG: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
MP: $30.14 (120.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $33.02 (132.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with Q
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Q
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN calls $0.62, SB calls $0.52, BB calls $0.37

Flop: ($2.48) 2
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J
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4
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(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.85, 2 folds, BB calls $1.85

Turn: ($6.18) 3
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.55, BB calls $3.55

River: ($13.28) K
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Results: $13.28 pot
Final Board: 2
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J
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4
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3
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K
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Can you please convert your hands? I like this converter http://www.stoxpoker.com/pokertools/handconverter best but there are plenty of others u can use.
Its just so much easier to read and figure out the action in converted hands.

Also please leave out results in HA,they dont matter and only skew any analyses.

Also if u can provied any reads/stats/history on villain it will help any analyses massivly.


Is 2.5xBB you standard prf raise?
Might consider changing it to 3or4 time the BB since it makes geting stacks in by river alot easier with out having to get c/r or re-raised.

Postflop i think this hand played out pretty standard asuming villain is unknown, i probably bet a litle bigger each street but then again i raise more prf aswell.

Where still probably geting called by most jacks on the river so a thin value bet of like 1/3rd the pot will most likly get us looked up by JT,QJ,AJ but he played the hand so passivly im having a hard time putting him on AJ here.
His range is probably skewed to flushdraws and mid pairs imo and while we obvs have that range beat that part of his range is also folding to most river bets while where geting called/raised by the part of his range that beats us.

So yeah im not sure really but i check back here aswell.
 
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Thank you. Yes I will start converting my hands, and I think im gonna try making my standard raise 3.4xbb and see how that goes. Thanks for the help.
 
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Where still probably geting called by most jacks on the river so a thin value bet of like 1/3rd the pot will most likly get us looked up by JT,QJ,AJ but he played the hand so passivly im having a hard time putting him on AJ here.
His range is probably skewed to flushdraws and mid pairs imo and while we obvs have that range beat that part of his range is also folding to most river bets while where geting called/raised by the part of his range that beats us.

So yeah im not sure really but i check back here aswell.

Against someone who likes to float a lot, I've been playing this as a bet/fold in position, around 50-60% pot. We'll get looked up by those Jx's, but also by occassional mid-pairs - I think the added value from those hands calling outweighs the times we're beat, though I might be convinced otherwise. Obv flush draws will fold, so no added value there, and straights/sets will shove, maybe 2 pr as well. AK/KQ will likely just call, but I'm still folding to any shove.

With a TAG, I check behind.
 
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I would just bet/bet/bet against the described villian
 
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This is an easy value bet, as KJ and Kx flush draws are the only hands with kings in them that get this far. Easy bet/fold on the river, and I'd make it ~1/2 pot, since the shitty J's and mid pairs can't feel very happy about this hand at this point. Essentially the moral of this story is that a check/call, check/call, check line means you opponent doesn't have anything good, and you should value bet super retardo thin. I'd probably v-bet JT on this river, maybe J9.

Also, bet bigger everywhere. This is not a tourney.
 
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Yes.I will bet all in in this situation.There is no straight or flush for him and if he has king and hi calls your bets on turn and river then damn.
 
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This is an easy value bet, as KJ and Kx flush draws are the only hands with kings in them that get this far. Easy bet/fold on the river, and I'd make it ~1/2 pot, since the shitty J's and mid pairs can't feel very happy about this hand at this point. Essentially the moral of this story is that a check/call, check/call, check line means you opponent doesn't have anything good, and you should value bet super retardo thin. I'd probably v-bet JT on this river, maybe J9.

Also, bet bigger everywhere. This is not a tourney.

This for sure. He like hardly ever has you beat when he checks the river yet will occasionally pay you off with some Jx hands
 
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what c9 says is true.

about the preflop raise, 2.5bb is perfectly fine on the BTN. But 3bb or more is better in earlier positions, otherwise you give people with position on you too good a price to come along, and then you have to play out of position with huge stack to pot ratios which is a recipe for disaster.
 
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