$25 NLHE 6-max: TT bvb two overs on the board, what do I do on river?

full tilt poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1206993
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CO: $19.95
BTN: $19.89
Hero (SB): $31.57
BB: $32.94
UTG: $4.84

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with T T
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 2 J 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

Turn: ($3.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, BB calls $2.25

River: ($8.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero???

villain is a 24/22/50 no significant amount of hands on his fold to cbet. What do we do on the river? How do you guys like the double barrel?

I dont like the double barrell

Basically this flop hits his range quite well. Quite a few pairs that you beat and also a few Ahigh hands that peel.

Relatively few draws. (a couple of GS)

The turn completes his AX that peeled. equity wise you now drop behind even when you check through and drop very far behind when he calls a bet.

The thing with betting here is you really only fold out the hands you already beat.

You would need a read on the turn along the lines of he calls many turns but folds a lot of rivers in which case bet bigger on the turn and overbet the river.

I just dont like the DB here because it wont really get him to fold all that much, so when you fire the second barrell you have to know at that point that he wont fold to it so river shouldnt read "hero????" it should read "hero over bets the pot- was this a dumb 3 street bluff?"

Whereas if you bet bigger on the turn and then really big on the river there are very few aces in his range because most were Axs and most folded on the flop leaving only a few big aces and pairs with an ace kicker which are now 2 pair but also less likely!.. add a couple of sets and a couple of big jacks and that should give you his river calling range.

The problem with just betting 1/2 - 3/4 pot is its very callable with Jx yet difficult to call with the PPs that you beat.

The turn bet here is a bluff so the river bet is just an extension of that bluff. i.e. your hand isnt being turned into a bluff on the river, it was a bluff on the turn.

On the turn you need to decide if you want to make a largish bluff here or check through and try to get to SD

I'd rather check/call the turn than bet it.

Stu can you explain why me betting the turn harder takes out aces from his range? Didn't quite understand

So would be DBing if we held say 44-77/KQ type of hand?

bgomez89 said:

Stu can you explain why me betting the turn harder takes out aces from his range? Didn't quite understand

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No betting the flop takes most of the aces out.

Betting the turn folds out the smaller pairs and 8x hands in his range but keeps in the AX and JX .

So if you bet the turn harder and then follow up on the river, your aim is to remove most of the JX hands. There arent many AX hands in his range but he wont fold them. The problem with the tuirn bet is now you have isolated yourself against AX and JX (sets and 2pair aswell)

The river bet has to be big to get him to release JX

If you take a CC line on the turn, now he could be bluffing with 8x and PP. (and you beat those)

brank said:

So would be DBing if we held say 44-77/KQ type of hand?

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No definitely not.

You just dont have much FE on the turn, so its tripple barrell or nothing.

TBH looking at it again, Im not convinced the third barrell has quite enough FE.. you really need him to fold KJ to be safe if he folds QJ and JT and TT/99 etc then its an OK 3rd barrell. If he finds a call with KJ its not going to work.

Just give up! The 3rd barrell was a bad idea!

There is just no point to betting this turn.

brank said:

So would be DBing if we held say 44-77/KQ type of hand?

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Stu_Ungar said:

No definitely not.

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Idk, seems fine to me.

I'd definitely barrel KQ here.

I'd raise more preflop.

c9h13no3 said:

Idk, seems fine to me.

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I think you have about 35% FE here.

a 1/2 pot bet requires 33% FE.. its so near to zero EV I just dont see the point. (even if you win we have to the take rake out of the winnings!.. is it worth it?)

THis is basically the range I put him on after the flop bet

JJ-22,AQs-AJs,A8s,A2s,AQo-ATo,A8o,KJs+,K8s,KJo+,K8o,QJs,QJo,J9s+,JTo,T8s+,98s,85s+

And this is the range after the turn bet

JJ-TT,88,22,AQs-AJs,A8s,A2s,AQo-ATo,A8o,KdQd,KJs,K8s,KJo,K8o,QJs,QJo,J9s+,JTo,T9s,Td8d,9d8d,8d7d,8d6d,8d5d

Actually I just realised KQ has a GS.

I guess you can barrell KQ, but 44 is just a laydown