$25 NLHE 6-max: TPTK 3-way line check

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I had no reads, I felt like it was really close to fold/call flop and fold/shove turn.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $31.21 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 3)
Hero (CO): $22.50
BTN: $54.62 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: $22.05 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: $39.45 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: $33.99 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q:diamond: A:diamond:

fold, MP raises to $1.00, Hero calls $1.00, fold, fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10, 3 players) Q:club: 4:spade: 8:club:
BB bets $3.10, MP calls $3.10, Hero calls $3.10

Turn: ($12.40, 3 players) 9:diamond:
BB bets $12.40, MP calls $12.40, Hero raises to $18.40 and is all-in, BB calls $6.00, fold

River: ($61.60, 2 players) 2:club:

[spoil]Hero shows Q:diamond: A:diamond: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 66%, Flop 83%, Turn 89%)
BB shows K:heart: 9:club: (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 34%, Flop 17%, Turn 11%)
MP mucks 7:heart: 7:diamond: (One Pair, Sevens)
BTN mucks 8:heart: 4:diamond: (Two Pair, Eights and Fours)
SB mucks 9:spade: 2:heart: (Two Pair, Nines and Twos)
UTG mucks 6:spade: A:heart: (High Card, Ace)
Hero wins $59.60
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If you call the flop, then call the turn.
 
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If you call the flop, then call the turn.

Why?

To the hand...
Any ways, I'd lean towards a turn fold. You have an unknown betting pot into two players twice (one of them the PFR). He could be a total donk (which it turns out he is), but you can't know that after 3 hands.
 
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Youre very lucky the two are very loose.

Totally agree with JohnA, turn fold would be the wisest choice.
 
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i would consider 3 betting pre even vs an unknown, and yah 4x open pot flop pot turn is generally a ton of strength to show, your very lucky to be ahead here. This is a classic way ahead way behind scenario so just have to guess based off the player pool.
 
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Why?

To the hand...
Any ways, I'd lean towards a turn fold. You have an unknown betting pot into two players twice (one of them the PFR). He could be a total donk (which it turns out he is), but you can't know that after 3 hands.

Actually I will fold or raise - fold the flop.
 
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Raise the flop here with top pair and top kicker, that is the best play in my mind to extract value. You took a very passive line but then it was almost like slow playing a big hand, you had to shove the turn so i don't mind what you did there. Folding the turn would be a mistake in my mind so well played. :)
 
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I'm definitely never raising flop here, the only hand that calls (maybe) that I beat is KQ and perhaps AKcc, I get shoved over on or flatted by everything that beats me and sometimes AK/AJcc... Maybe AQ - I do really bad vs almost their whole continuing range if I raise.

Looking back now I really do think folding flop and definitely folding turn was the long term best play, OTT when I put it in I expected to see 44 88 or Q8s... Or a weirdly played AA KK. I got lucky, I wanted to see how everyone else would have played this.

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What was the bb screen name please? I need guys like that for boosting my bankroll. ....maybe even yours as well thinking about the way you shoved all in with a 1 pair hand.
Really loose play for 25nl. How can he call your shove with a pair of 9s?
It shows what you can (nearly) get away with against unknowns.
On a more serious note shoving with 1 pair hands over big turn bets is imho just spew and I think you acknowledged such. You got lucky here.
 
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Yep, its clear fold here on turn. You got lucky against 2 bad players in this spot.
 
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To the few of you saying I can't believe you shoved turn: that was basically a call, I raised 1/8th pot.

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Actually the more I think about this hand the more bluffy his donk lead looks. I mean if you had a strong hand like a set here surely a check raise would make more sense even to a beginner.
He isn't exactly looking for a call on the turn either. His bet sizing on the turn leaving himself just 6 behind is nonsense as well. Is this why you shove/called the turn here?
Note to self...lead out full pot twice with my next set for calls from tptk.
 
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I would 3bet preflop vs an unknown an go from there. As played i would fold turn.

Asking out of curiosity how come your hand history shows the hole cards of players who folded preflop?
 
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Fold turn because a 3 way pot, likely someone is hitting a set and after full value.

btw why didn't you 3bet pre, we want to go into the flop headsup with a hand like this.
 
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To the few of you saying I can't believe you shoved turn: that was basically a call, I raised 1/8th pot.

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As is already pot committed, there is no difference between shoving and calling on the turn.
 
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His flat pre and his pot pot smells so terrible, it's either AA/KK or it's just a complete sack of shit, I wouldn't be to complacent with getting it in, if this is heads up it's less close but three ways with an aggressor and a caller behind, you just have to fold, top pair top kicker is never going to be good like 9/10 times, it's just fortunate both players were ridiculously bad.

What site is this btw? LOL :p
 
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