$25 NLHE 6-max: TPGK facing huge flop raise

$25 NL HE 6-max: TPGK facing huge flop raise

Villian is an unknown. In this situation, are you guys more inclined to just jam or give an unknown credit for a hand?

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poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $16.75 (67 bb)
BB: $23.30 (93.2 bb)
UTG: $11.60 (46.4 bb)
Hero (MP): $25 (100 bb)
CO: $3.40 (13.6 bb)
BTN: $18.20 (72.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with Q:spade: K:heart:
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, CO folds, BTN calls $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) Q:diamond: 4:diamond: 5:spade: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BTN raises to $6.75

Most probably ship it. Different stakes are made up of different player pools, and you have to get used to what tendencies the average player has. Would the average player raise QJ here or flat? A flush draw? 2 pair or better? Straight draw? Air?

My main reason for shoving is that he's sitting shorter and as such a) he's most probably a fish who's overvaluing worse top pairs and b) he's shorter so we're not losing quite as much on a shove if we're behind.

ChuckTs said:

Most probably ship it. Different stakes are made up of different player pools, and you have to get used to what tendencies the average player has. Would the average player raise QJ here or flat? A flush draw? 2 pair or better? Straight draw? Air?

My main reason for shoving is that he's sitting shorter and as such a) he's most probably a fish who's overvaluing worse top pairs and b) he's shorter so we're not losing quite as much on a shove if we're behind.

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Usually have my own opinion but i couldnt have said it better than what was said right here

Expert analysis IMO..

I think its a big bet here and its more safe to fold... you dont have a very good hand to call here in my opinion, obviously it depends how loose/tight the players are here.

This flop raise is not huge, and I cram it in.

c9h13no3 said:

This flop raise is not huge, and I cram it in.

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Raising someone's flop bet over 3x is not huge? What hands is he doing this with? Flush draws? That's really the only thing I'm beating. I don't see him doing this with QJ or worse. I'm not necessarily saying he definitely has two pair, set, etc., since raising on flop is sort of an usual play, but what hands am I beating?

[ ] huge flop raise.
[x] 2/3 pot flop raise

kleitches said:

Raising someone's flop bet over 3x is not huge? What hands is he doing this with? Flush draws? That's really the only thing I'm beating. I don't see him doing this with QJ or worse. I'm not necessarily saying he definitely has two pair, set, etc., since raising on flop is sort of an usual play, but what hands am I beating?

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No your c-bet was just small , he is raising less then pot sized.
And yeah i jam here. On drawy board against a unknown i expect to be looked up by some FD,67,QJ,QT,few 99 type hands and obvs sets and AQ,but that part of his range is much smaller then the draws/worse queens.
In similar situations i think villain will also fold alot to shoves since the board doesnt hit our range to often imo.
Since we have alot more Ax and PPs in our range then Qx, but this villain isnt full stacked so he is geting a good price on a shove so i think he is calling more often then full stacks.

BelgoSuisse said:

[ ] huge flop raise.
[x] 2/3 pot flop raise

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Not trying to argue here, this is a legit question. If the pot is $3.10 and I bet $2, the pot is now $5.10. He raises $4.75 more. How is this 2/3 the pot?

kleitches said:

Not trying to argue here, this is a legit question. If the pot is $3.10 and I bet $2, the pot is now $5.10. He raises $4.75 more. How is this 2/3 the pot?

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Cause you have to put 2$ from him and then the raise on top since you already put in 2$ .
So the pot is 3,10+2+2.

Without any information on the player, I would say you will lose a lot of money stacking off in this situation in the long run.

It is almost impossible to give correct advice without some kind of information to give him a range though.

You have put 3 Dollars in the pot, and it will cost you the rest of your stack (or the same amount of chips the villain has left) To find out if your good. No way he isn't going to the felt after a raise like that. Get out and pick him off later on in a better spot.

Bear in mind there is still another player active. Who probably doesn't have a big hand, but he could, the villain is raising in to two players.