$25 NLHE 6-max: TP on turn, facing a pot bet on the river

Full Tilt - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $36.14
Hero (BB): $26.00
UTG: $25.00
CO: $25.00
BTN: $29.39

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Q:heart: K:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.00, 2 players) 3:diamond: 2:club: 5:spade:
SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.50, 2 players) Q:spade:
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25

River: ($4.50, 2 players) 5:heart:
SB bets $4.50, Hero

this guy is a 44/3/40 over 36 hands. Obviously i'm going to raise the turn for value and really don't expect him to fold much because he's been calling a lot. I'm confused on the river though when he donks heavy. Should I be calling here or raising?

Personally I can't find any value in raising here. You might get a call from some random middle pairs or QJ, but more often than not you'll get a fold or an AI back at you.

I can totally understand why you're confused about this hand, if it was me I'd snapcall and add a note to this guy.

Usually fish will limp or min-raise their suited Ax's, and I think you're looking at that in this situation. I'd say A4 or A5 is very likely here, but I'd still call, take my loss (or win) and valuetown him later.

I've done plenty of these calls tonight, yesterday, last week and your always beat by this player.

So fold and be glad you saved a bet yourself

Never fold. This is Ax/worse value hands way too often. You only need to be good %33 of the time; folding is out of the question.

Raising river is pretty thin imo.

Yeah I'm never folding either but was wondering if raising would be better than calling

bgomez89 said:

Yeah I'm never folding either but was wondering if raising would be better than calling

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What are you doing if he shoves over your raise?

Looks to me like he calls your raise much more often when you're beat than when he has exactly Q9-KQ, which I think are the only hands you get value from after a pot size bet from him on the river.

Add to that the times when he shoves and you're clearly beat, and it all adds up to calling being the money.

ChuckTs said:

Never fold. This is Ax/worse value hands way too often. You only need to be good %33 of the time; folding is out of the question.

Raising river is pretty thin imo.

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Do you get here with your thinking because of the way the hand was played and the river blanked? And player type or would you insta call against a tag too? Because of the way villain played it?

Thanks

He's a loose fish so I expect him to do the same with ANY Q, 88-JJ as well as hands that beat me

bgomez89 said:

1) he's a loose fish so I expect him to do the same with ANY Q, 88-JJ

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Yeah this all makes sense, (sob story coming) I when ever a fish does this to me and I call he seems to more often than not have a flopped set, rivered trips and is scared I won't value bet my pair of queens etc, especially seen as all my draws per sieved draws missed.

This is prob me being results orientated which I seems to be flying around here slot which makes sense when you are sure your play was good for villains range etc

they do this a lot these day, however I would just call here.

KardKlub said:

Do you get here with your thinking because of the way the hand was played and the river blanked? And player type or would you insta call against a tag too? Because of the way villain played it?

Thanks

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He's a fish taking a retarded line and there are tons of busted Ax/backdoor FDs/worse made hands (44, 66-JJ, believe it or not, Qx, A2/A3, etc) that are bluffing/value cutting themselves enough for me NEVER to fold this. The only hand we're really worried about is a really oddly played 5x, the rare AQ, KK+, and the extremely unlikely boat/A4 that generally gets more money in when the board is drawy - especially when we raise turn. Consider our price and we could call with considerably worse depending on how his range is weighted.

Try filtering for spots where fish donked the river. You'll still get quite a few where they show down decent made hands, but like I said you don't need to be good that often to win here - they show down enough retarded spazzes that calling's good.

Tags don't minraise pf, minbet flop/turn, call a turn raise, then donk river. Like ever. So I'm never in this spot vs a tag.

I'm curious. Do people think there's any merit to 3betting preflop? Seems it's pretty likely this guy will call with way worse hands than KQo including dominated Kx/Qx hands.

Tbh 3 betting is probably the right play but i had no clue if he folded a lot to 3 bets or didn't. I probably should have assumed he doesn't fold to them considering his fishy stats. What also stopped me was his low pfr.

Yep, 3betting should be our standard vs a fish. %3 pfr is insignificant given sample size.